Too Many Webmasters Drinking The Google Kool Aid

[peter_d]

There's a thread at <cough> Webmasterworld entitled

I'm convinced that today's webmaster is under the Google mindshare spell. Most don't even realize it

http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3334098.htm

I think the poster makes a good point. Today, there are many webmasters under the mistaken impression that Google wishes to help them make money.

The truth is the opposite.

Google wants webmasters to help Google make money.

One way they do this is try and dictate how you engage with Google, and, more importantly, try to ensure you do not compete with Adwords.

So, how many people take business advice from their competitors? If you did, where would that leave you? That's what you are doing if you hang on Google's every word.

Instead, use the advice that benefits you, and take the rest with a grain of salt. It's a good thing to be discriminating when dealing with any information that comes from the Googleplex.

Disclaimer: I like Google. I like the opportunity Google presents. Matt Cutts seems like a decent guy. I don't hate Google. But I know my position, and I know Google's position, and those positions are not the same.

[Natural Elements]

I think we are talking a lot about Google and the webmasters, not enough about Google general users.

How deceptive is that not to see their favorite sites they found before on Google? I bet some people are very disappointed and confuse.

[bcombs]

Originally Posted by peter_d

Disclaimer: I like Google. I like the opportunity Google presents. Matt Cutts seems like a decent guy. I don't hate Google. But I know my position, and I know Google's position, and those positions are not the same.

I'm not sure truer words have ever been spoken.



Brian

[Julie]

Originally Posted by Natural Elements

I think we are talking a lot about Google and the webmasters, not enough about Google general users.

How deceptive is that not to see their favorite sites they found before on Google? I bet some people are very disappointed and confuse.

Honestly, if its a user's favorite site, I highly doubt they'd be googling it to find it. They'd just go directly to the site. People tend to use search engines to find things when don't know exactly where they are.

[Natural Elements]

People tend to use search engines to find things, I agree.

The question is where they found your site in the first hand? On search engines most of the time.

Sometime I lost the site I have previously add on my favorites and the way to find it again it's on the search engines.

[cldnails]

I believe the definition is 'fanboy'.

[Ferre]

I'm convinced that today's webmaster is under the Google mindshare spell. Most don't even realize it

Not me. I used to like Google when they started out as a search engine but ever since they became a data collector and employed CIA/NSA people, and after I found out that they censor political sites for communists and fascists regimes my love for them, and my respect went down the drain.

..and they are highly over-rated by most webmasters, the 16 to 22% visitors the avarage website owner receives from Google and all other search engines combined doesn't justify the way that Google attempts to dictate how those website owners should monetize their sites and how they should link to other sites.

Google is just another corporate leeching on the general public.

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Not me. I used to like Google when they started out as a search engine but ever since they became a data collector and employed CIA/NSA people, and after I found out that they censor political sites for communists and fascists regimes my love for them, and my respect went down the drain.

..and they are highly over-rated by most webmasters, the 16 to 22% visitors the avarage website owner receives from Google and all other search engines combined doesn't justify the way that Google attempts to dictate how those website owners should monetize their sites and how they should link to other sites.

Google is just another corporate leeching on the general public.

Wow, that much animosity towards google and with such conviction. So do you take steps to block their spider and keep them from indexing your sites?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by cldnails

Wow, that much animosity towards google and with such conviction. So do you take steps to block their spider and keep them from indexing your sites?

Nope, I don't have enough "animosity" to take any action and I may sound strong when displaying my opinion but it's just what it is, an opinion. I'm not 'emotionally involved' with their business in any way and certainly not enough to take any effort in blocking them but I also don't give a damn about PR and serps, although I do quite well in those catagories.

I think that google's spider is the least of the things to worry about, I think that people should worry about their private emails on their gmail accounts a lot more.

[bested]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Nope, I don't have enough "animosity" to take any action and I may sound strong when displaying my opinion but it's just what it is, an opinion. I'm not 'emotionally involved' with their business in any way and certainly not enough to take any effort in blocking them but I also don't give a damn about PR and serps, although I do quite well in those catagories.

I think that google's spider is the least of the things to worry about, I think that people should worry about their private emails on their gmail accounts a lot more.

lol, are you suggesting google is reading my emails!?

egh ~_~

[EBORG9]

I heard this on another forum, "The relationship between Google, Ad Sense, and Webmasters, is much like the relationship of a pimp and his hookers".

It's disgusting how many thousands of people that hope to make a living on the web, have no other skills , creativity, or aspirations, other than the trinket amount that is made by adsense, and the hoops they jump through to get it.
JMO

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by bested

lol, are you suggesting google is reading my emails!?

egh ~_~

No, I am suggesting that the CIA/NSA/HomelandSSecurity is reading your emails. Matt Cutts is a backdoor to those agencies. Any self respecting, and most of all, CLIENT- respecting company that stores and collects private data from millions of people could figure out that when they employ a data mining expert from the NSA, which is an agency for spying on people, they will loose the trust from their clients. Any self respecting company would not want that association and make another choice, there are many other experts they can hire for the job.

The fact that Google so open and blatantly displays no respect towards its clients in this regard and many others can be translated in pure arrogance of power but it is not seen as such by the general public who is blinded by hollow phrases like "do no evil" and free email accounts with gigabites of space and website owners are kept in line with treaths to 'penalize' their websites or threaths to revoke their adsense accounts.

Myself I don't depend on Google, not for my traffic, not for financial reasons and certainly not for my email but as I said, I'm not emotionally involved, I'm just an observer on the side line.

[EBORG9]

Originally Posted by Ferre

No, I am suggesting that the CIA/NSA/HomelandSSecurity is reading your emails. Matt Cutts is a backdoor to those agencies. Any self respecting, and most of all, CLIENT- respecting company that stores and collects private data from millions of people could figure out that when they employ a data mining expert from the NSA, which is an agency for spying on people, they will loose the trust from their clients. Any self respecting company would not want that association and make another choice, there are many other experts they can hire for the job.

The fact that Google so open and blatantly displays no respect towards its clients in this regard and many others can be translated in pure arrogance of power but it is not seen as such by the general public who is blinded by hollow phrases like "do no evil" and free email accounts with gigabites of space and website owners are kept in line with treaths to 'penalize' their websites or threaths to revoke their adsense accounts.

Myself I don't depend on Google, not for my traffic, not for financial reasons and certainly not for my email but as I said, I'm not emotionally involved, I'm just an observer on the side line.

Ferre, I need you to site down for this one:

I couldn't agree with you more!

All this time I've been thinking I'm crazy. Why do all these people, for lack of a better term, "S*ck Google's D**K" so much with all the crap that they pull, and the hoops that you have to jump through to make pennies off of the ads that they "Allow" you to place on YOUR REAL ESTATE!

The web is open season, with limitless opportunities, yet there are so many trying to please this one company like some kind of cult.
Yes, it's an option, but everyone treats it like it's THE option, and just based on the numbers...IT"S NOT!

[John Scott]

Google's branding strategy has worked quite effectively.

Most folks now feel like Google is some benevolent big brother, with nothing but good will for the Internet user. Nobody seems to realize the greed at work in that organization.

[Deejay Dan]

"Google Kool Aid" -- couldn't of said it better myself.

I'm pretty much a newbie to webmastering, know only the basics about SEO but I'm so sick of hearing "Google, Google". My first instinct is to say Google isn't the only search engine. On the other hand -- Google is the biggest and a lot of people depend on Google for a good portion of their traffic.

My question to webmasters is: If Google disappeared tomorrow -- Would you go broke? If so, optimize for the other engines too.

[EBORG9]

Originally Posted by Deejay Dan

"Google Kool Aid" -- couldn't of said it better myself.

I'm pretty much a newbie to webmastering, know only the basics about SEO but I'm so sick of hearing "Google, Google". My first instinct is to say Google isn't the only search engine. On the other hand -- Google is the biggest and a lot of people depend on Google for a good portion of their traffic.

My question to webmasters is: If Google disappeared tomorrow -- Would you go broke? If so, optimize for the other engines too.

Those that continually dance for adsense would be waiting tables by the end of the week.
That's all they know how to do.