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09-19-2007, 01:11 AM
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Cricket, I simply read it somewhere, sorry cannot remember where.
You are right, SERPS are updated all the time and recently they have been jumping around, this would point to a slight change in the algorithm.
The PR update could be months, my own feelings are if they cannot stop 'black hat' operators manipulating PR Google may scrap it. A natural placing in the search engines are a better guide anyway.
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09-19-2007, 01:14 AM
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#102 (permalink)
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LMAO . . . Did you read Matt's exact words? I gave you the quote and the link. 
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09-19-2007, 01:20 AM
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#103 (permalink)
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P.S. Real PageRank is also updated continually. It is only what you see in the toolbar that is not updated continually.
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What is an update? Google updates its index data, including backlinks and PageRank, continually and continuously. We only export new backlinks, PageRank, or directory data every three months or so though. (We started doing that last year when too many SEOs were suffering from “B.O.”, short for backlink obsession.) When new backlinks/PageRank appear, we’ve already factored that into our rankings quite a while ago. So new backlinks/PageRank are fun to see, but it’s not an update; it’s just already-factored-in data being exported visibly for the first time in a while.
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/whats-an-update/
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09-19-2007, 02:49 AM
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#104 (permalink)
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lol @ back link obsession, that is like every single person who talks about SEO, where is the PR and how to get more back links, funny lol.
fyi, got bored looking for the comment from matt especially when I reaslied i never checked the date on the bloggs I was reading, chances are what i read was like 2 years old.
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Originally Posted by businessservicesuk
A natural placing in the search engines are a better guide anyway.
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I agree that a serp placing would be a better guide to anyone who is not trying to sell high Pr links, but I am sure that you would agree, some decent marketing efforts would heavily outweigh the rewards of any seo work.
headlines
offers
calls to action
strategic alliances
host beneficiaries
& advertising something that people with money to spend are actually interested in (not selling links to 19 year olds who get $25 pocket money a week)
testing with headlines
testing with codes
Direct Response only advertising
Customer education about your product
Basic free publicity (not bloggs zomg not bloggs)
You know your website is doing well not when its PR6, not when it has 4000 uniques, not when its number 1 in the serps, but when it puts 20K in your pocket each week, thats when you know you have done a good job, until then you are just jerkin your own gerkin.
Remember it is an online business why ignore the systems that have worked for over 3000+ years for seo which has been around for what 10 years.
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09-19-2007, 04:47 PM
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#105 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by upsonians
So guys we r getting out of our main point ans that is that why google took so much time imean made adelay and still its being in delay.
Why is it not updating.And if it is going to update then when is it.Anyone having any idea about it.
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What do you mean updating? Do you mean updating the Google bar page rank? Well it's not just directories, Google hasn't done a tool bar update in what five months? No one knows why, Google has their own schedule and they don't bother to tell us.
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09-19-2007, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven_D
lol @ back link obsession, that is like every single person who talks about SEO, where is the PR and how to get more back links, funny lol.
fyi, got bored looking for the comment from matt especially when I reaslied i never checked the date on the bloggs I was reading, chances are what i read was like 2 years old.
I agree that a serp placing would be a better guide to anyone who is not trying to sell high Pr links, but I am sure that you would agree, some decent marketing efforts would heavily outweigh the rewards of any seo work.
headlines
offers
calls to action
strategic alliances
host beneficiaries
& advertising something that people with money to spend are actually interested in (not selling links to 19 year olds who get $25 pocket money a week)
testing with headlines
testing with codes
Direct Response only advertising
Customer education about your product
Basic free publicity (not bloggs zomg not bloggs)
You know your website is doing well not when its PR6, not when it has 4000 uniques, not when its number 1 in the serps, but when it puts 20K in your pocket each week, thats when you know you have done a good job, until then you are just jerkin your own gerkin.
Remember it is an online business why ignore the systems that have worked for over 3000+ years for seo which has been around for what 10 years.
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Your funny.....have you ever had a passion for something in your life. People that talk about making $20, 000 wk dont deserve to have a website, because a web site is to share what you have to offer to other people not how bad i want to rip you off. The internet is my hobby, and If i ever do make 20k a week its not going to be used for gain completely ill put a high % back into my passion to see how high i can climb to the top.
Being #1 serp tells alot about the content of the site im submitting to. The searches witch we all use chose the content of one sites domain to put at the top of the search wich dominates every other domain in that category. If that doesn't mean nothing to you then your website will never make 20k a wk.
Your advertising tech. are ok, but lets face the reality is people are shopping on the internet for phones,christmas gifts,cars, homes, financing, bear, toylet paper,basicly everything you can buy in the world is sold over the internet, and people are using it so why not advertise, and shoot for being top serp in every possible category you might end up making 20k a wk.
Theres multi millionars in every product that you sell everyone goes up and down kinda like the stock market. The key is getting in when the gettings good. 
Last edited by rankland : 09-19-2007 at 09:21 PM.
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09-19-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rankland
Your funny.....have you ever had a passion for something in your life.
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yes
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09-19-2007, 11:18 PM
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cricket ur nick is really nice i wasn't meanto that.
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Cricket u got mind my question sorry for that i wasn't mean to that i was just intersted that whether a moderator is also interested in cricket game or not.
As cricket is worlds third biggest event.Even a child in Asia can tell u that what cricket game is.But just to tell u that its a vey intersting game.Now a days 20-20 worldcup of cricket is going on.YOu can check it out on international cricket councel web site. http://www.icc-cricket.com/
here u will get some info about the game.
But to tell u the truth u have a nice nick.
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09-19-2007, 11:28 PM
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No worries! I get people asking all the time. I am pretty used to it! 
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09-19-2007, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cricket
No worries! I get people asking all the time. I am pretty used to it! 
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Ya i think so becoz ur nick is the same as our favourite game.And let me tell u that u have to watch a single match when it is between Pakistan and India.
As Pakistan and India have fought three wars and they are on border to border so there any sports game especially criket is just like a battle field.Any one here having info about crickt can tell u about it.
Thx
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09-20-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornbread
So if you own a business downtown and you pay for a huge ad on a billboard on the interstate, is that also cheating? Or is it just good advertising? Do you think the owner of the billboard is going to give you the spot on the bill board for free? Good advertising and marketing cost money in the real world, why should it be free on the internet?
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well i really like google.. in a way that they are very fair in terms of that...
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09-20-2007, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by t.analiza011885
well i really like google.. in a way that they are very fair in terms of that...
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I terms of what?
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09-20-2007, 11:39 PM
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Google tos are very realistic.They are always true to to them.But they haven't anything about the issue of updattion, and even up to now they haven't done anything for it.
I don't know why r they doing this.
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09-21-2007, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by upsonians
Google tos are very realistic.They are always true to to them.But they haven't anything about the issue of updattion, and even up to now they haven't done anything for it.
I don't know why r they doing this.
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So as the thread starter, "Google stopped updating Paid Directories". Do you feel that Google is updating all other web sites except paid directories? If so why do you feel that why and what evidence do you have to support that statement?
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09-21-2007, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cornbread
I terms of what?
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fair- in a way that they want fair competition and no paying just to get high SERP
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09-21-2007, 09:24 AM
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Actually, no. I did not say anything of the sort
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09-21-2007, 11:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornbread
So as the thread starter, "Google stopped updating Paid Directories". Do you feel that Google is updating all other web sites except paid directories? If so why do you feel that why and what evidence do you have to support that statement?
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Well its a tough question to answer..
U see in the whole thread of about 120 replies no one has given any prof becoz there is no real proof for it but only we have to look over the conditions as they ae proving that google is no more going t update and offcourse directories too.
I have searched a lot for it..i mean i was searchi9ng for proofs to put them here but no one has exactly the idea of it.So it just remained a discussion everywhere.What do u think guys....
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09-22-2007, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by upsonians
Google tos are very realistic.They are always true to to them.But they haven't anything about the issue of updattion, and even up to now they haven't done anything for it.
I don't know why r they doing this.
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Offcourse google TOS are very realistic but never they comes to be.
As in case of updation they are not giving any info.
We should start considering alexa ranking.It will bring google back down to earth from sky.
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