Website suddenly gone from SERP

gunjanp · 01-24-2008, 03:15 AM

Hi All,

I have one website skin-care-products-uk.co.uk. I have optimized it and it was ranking (1 to 10 most of) in google.co.uk on all keywords related to this site. It was ranking in Google since last 4 months.

But today when i checked the SERP for this site in google.co.uk, I found that it is not ranking in google.co.uk on any keywords. I can see this site only on the keywords of "skin care products uk" on 3rd page.

I have not use any BlackHat techniques for this site. And also I checked this site in
Webmaster tools that all pages of this site are crawling properly by the Googlebot, and also I could not find any error in my webmaster tools.

In our server sometimes we are getting request timed out. This problem in our server.
But due to this problem my ranking is gone, I don’t think so. Because my other websites are also on same server and they are ranking very well in Google.

I know that due to request timed out from server side we can lose our ranking, if Googlebot found 404 in our site. But in my webmaster tools I am not getting this kind of any error.

I don’t know what is the reason behind it why my website is gone from ranking on all keywords.

So please let me know, now what I have to do for getting my ranking back.

Thanks in Advance.

**Rankenstein** · 01-24-2008, 05:14 AM

I can't say exactly why this has happened but using your acne-scar.html page (and the other acne pages) as an example, it looks like you have gone too far with the SEO.

That page has a lot of useful information, no doubt there, but there is a bit of spammy stuff there too, e.g:

"The best thing to remove acne scar is to get an acne scar product. However, before you buy any acne scar products such as acne scar creams and scrubs, remember, acne scars do not go away overnight. It takes at least couple of months for removing acne scars completely. No acne scar product or acne scar cream can magically remove your acne scars in a day or two.
Therefore, beware of fake acne scar products and acne scar creams which misguidedly claim to remove your acne scars within no time.
If you want to remove acne and acne scar, get all the facts right and myths cleared."

As I say, you have good info on your pages, but it is somewhat spammy like the above, much too much keyword density IMO, and there are other things which stand out: The acne scar treatment and acne scarring treatment pages are the same thing, so you can definitely call that spammy. In fact, they are classic doorway pages that search engines don't like. Take one down and 301 the other to the one you want to keep.

I hope you understand, I'm not trying to cause you trouble. The site is informative, that's a great basis to work from, but you've gone really over the top on the SEO. That's what I think might have caused your problem.

Also you've put too many links to other internal pages in the page content. You only get credit from Google for the anchor text of the first link to a page that it finds so it's pointless repeating it anyway.

Well, that's my opinion about it.

gurbakshchahal · 01-24-2008, 05:16 AM

Hi

I have optimized Flash site [link removed]. This site was ranking on number 1 in google for keyword "Gurbaksh Chahal". Suddenly from lat 2 weeks site goes down to 9th page. Please tell what to do now to get back my ranking on top page,

Thanks
Chahal

**Rankenstein** · 01-24-2008, 05:18 AM

The first thing you have to do is start a new thread.

This thread is for gunjanp's problem.

gunjanp · 01-24-2008, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

I can't say exactly why this has happened but using your acne-scar.html page (and the other acne pages) as an example, it looks like you have gone too far with the SEO.

That page has a lot of useful information, no doubt there, but there is a bit of spammy stuff there too, e.g:

"The best thing to remove acne scar is to get an acne scar product. However, before you buy any acne scar products such as acne scar creams and scrubs, remember, acne scars do not go away overnight. It takes at least couple of months for removing acne scars completely. No acne scar product or acne scar cream can magically remove your acne scars in a day or two.
Therefore, beware of fake acne scar products and acne scar creams which misguidedly claim to remove your acne scars within no time.
If you want to remove acne and acne scar, get all the facts right and myths cleared."

As I say, you have good info on your pages, but it is somewhat spammy like the above, much too much keyword density IMO, and there are other things which stand out: The acne scar treatment and acne scarring treatment pages are the same thing, so you can definitely call that spammy. In fact, they are classic doorway pages that search engines don't like. Take one down and 301 the other to the one you want to keep.

I hope you understand, I'm not trying to cause you trouble. The site is informative, that's a great basis to work from, but you've gone really over the top on the SEO. That's what I think might have caused your problem.

Also you've put too many links to other internal pages in the page content. You only get credit from Google for the anchor text of the first link to a page that it finds so it's pointless repeating it anyway.

Well, that's my opinion about it.

Thanks Rankenstein for the great help.

I will do that and then let see site will come back?

313i · 02-05-2008, 01:41 PM

I've seen this happen with some of my sites once every 6-7 months it just drops from serps for 3-4 days then comes back It's weird but always seems to come back.

skysoldier · 02-05-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 313i

I've seen this happen with some of my sites once every 6-7 months it just drops from serps for 3-4 days then comes back It's weird but always seems to come back.

It happens, I think it is Google Dance?

pinkfluffybunny · 02-05-2008, 02:07 PM

I have know idea what a Google dance is.....lol

One of the terms that often get confused is "sandbox", There are many knowledgable people who believe there is no such thing as the sandbox policy.... me included.

Some subscribe to the sandbox theory that new sites are given higher ranking and then go away,

some say the sandbox theory is placing the site on hold until it proves itself.

Personally I don't believe there is a sandbox policy.

I'll go with the Rankenstien theory above.....

You crammed and spammed and got caught - I've been there done that

skysoldier · 02-06-2008, 01:19 PM

He...he.. me too, but I've learned my lesson and stick mostly in Whitehat techniques now!

x3mario · 02-07-2008, 10:08 AM

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stick mostly in Whitehat techniques

So, you mean that you are still doing some black hat technique.

digitalseo · 02-07-2008, 10:42 AM

@skysoldier->good to hear that one...maybe you're doin' a grayhat technique...

Natural Elements · 02-07-2008, 01:01 PM

The optimization is great but too much optimization kill your serps at some point.

The key is to be in your customers shoes, and not over optimatize your site, even if you drop in serps and found competitors ranking high with stuffing keywords, spamy descriptions, sooner or later they fill fall in a Google filter and will drop far away from your site position.

So be patient, and try to find a good balance for your optimization, so you site can have the right organic search result position for long term.

MrCat · 02-07-2008, 01:04 PM

The possible scenarios to look at:

Your site is in the sandbox - Googles way of filtering new sites

Competition - other sites optimizing for that keyword as well

Google dance - possible update issue of Google's data centers

Or your site got penalized...

Kryvast · 02-07-2008, 02:08 PM

Sites can occasionally fall out of Google's search results, http://www.google.com/support/webmas...n&answer=34443

pinkfluffybunny · 02-07-2008, 02:14 PM

There are so so many reasons it can happen - sending out emails, complaints from service providers, you were knocked out on purpose by a competitor .......oh hell if I listed every way to drop or get penalized it would fill several pages

**Rankenstein** · 02-07-2008, 05:48 PM

pinkfluufybunny, I think we have another disagreement on the way

In good humour, though, links aside, the more I read of what you have to say, the more I respect it - you definitely have a true understanding of what you're talking about, even if I disagree with some of it.

So, I think the sandbox does exist - I've experienced it with a site that I knew should rank and didn't. It's now number one for the phrase:
used cars
on Google UK. (Before I left, I got them to number 3, not top slot. But they were in for three weeks, then out except for long tail for six months, there was a bit of a datacenter dance for three weeks, then they were where I knew they should be.).

This is a different type of situation with the guy who started the thread, though the longtail aspect is the same, and if you compare this search (where he is number one):
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...G=Search&meta=

with this search:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...G=Search&meta=

where he isn't in top 100, how else can you explain it? I'm not claiming to know what the sandbox is, but I know when I see it in action. I'd love to hear another explanation.

pinkfluffybunny · 02-07-2008, 08:55 PM

I have seen the effect I don't know what to call it. I know I can drop a site's positions like a rock if I go after them....

They come back I have to kill them again... Maybe the engines are just catching on to my tricks.....lol

But I haven't figured out the penalities with Google and MSN, I used to know what to expect from Yahoo, now I'm not so sure.

How many emails do you have to spam to get penalized, how many ISPs blocking your IP, how many complaints.......... there are a lot of stuff that can get you dropped some or completely, they do come back but how long is the penalty? Since they don't officially penalize it's hard to get a straight answer.

If I get hired again to screw over someone I'll keep track....lol

And to be honest I just don't care what it is. It makes me look like a genious to those companies that hire me to do in the competor - they think they got hit back and When I check and they didn't I just wait a bit and it comes back - Personally sometimes I think it's the engine Gods messing withy us mear mortals.....

Sandbox? I wish I knew what that was.......

MrCat · 02-08-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkfluffybunny

I have seen the effect I don't know what to call it. I know I can drop a site's positions like a rock if I go after them....

They come back I have to kill them again... Maybe the engines are just catching on to my tricks.....lol

But I haven't figured out the penalities with Google and MSN, I used to know what to expect from Yahoo, now I'm not so sure.

How many emails do you have to spam to get penalized, how many ISPs blocking your IP, how many complaints.......... there are a lot of stuff that can get you dropped some or completely, they do come back but how long is the penalty? Since they don't officially penalize it's hard to get a straight answer.

If I get hired again to screw over someone I'll keep track....lol

And to be honest I just don't care what it is. It makes me look like a genious to those companies that hire me to do in the competor - they think they got hit back and When I check and they didn't I just wait a bit and it comes back - Personally sometimes I think it's the engine Gods messing withy us mear mortals.....

Sandbox? I wish I knew what that was.......

You do have some unusual ways of expressing your thoughts and expertise. I would have to agree with Rankenstein that you know what you are talking about.

Google sandbox effect has been around for years (2004 if I'm not mistaken). You may have not been there as you don't know the apt term for it. And lets not hope you get in there coz' its a scary place to be, lols.

I have read in some of your posts that you mentioned a technique to outrank sites. Just wanted to ask if this involves any black hat? But if it is a trade secret, its okay if you don't want to dibulge it here

!!!jarek!!! · 02-08-2008, 11:40 PM

My guess is there is some kind of a -50 penalty on your website. Did you buy some links for the site?

I would recommend you to first check everything with your site, do the necessary changes and then file a google reinclusion request. And, more importantly don't forget to pray.

pinkfluffybunny · 02-09-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MrCat

You do have some unusual ways of expressing your thoughts and expertise. I would have to agree with Rankenstein that you know what you are talking about.

Google sandbox effect has been around for years (2004 if I'm not mistaken). You may have not been there as you don't know the apt term for it. And lets not hope you get in there coz' its a scary place to be, lols.
- but it will onl
I have read in some of your posts that you mentioned a technique to outrank sites. Just wanted to ask if this involves any black hat? But if it is a trade secret, its okay if you don't want to dibulge it here

Blackhat no. But I will take advantage of an engine flaw, but only to increase the standings a bit (an example is Sub-domain spamming - ebay is taking advantage of it now) - but like most blackhat stuff the advantage goes away as soon as the engines catch on and their programmers can correct it - By the time it reaches the boards it is almost dead. The blackhat guys keep using it even after it's gone - they don't know any better (PR is a prime example)

The engines are in the business of making money by getting people to use their engine - they keep people coming back by getting them to where they want to go) So if there is an advantage and it will give me a little boost I will use it, until they kill it, BUT I don't depend on it, I know it's short lived. I also have the good sence to remove it after its advantage is gone just in case the programmers went a little to far or couldn't figure out how to compensate correctly so it gets a the "penalty" meaning it is a flaw fixed that was not really fixed, so it works the other way.

Solid HONEST seo is always the platform to use - honestly tell the engine what is on the page, and have it there. If people want it and it is of value - it will place high.

An example: "closet manufacturer" in Google, for finedesigncloset.com - (a temp few pages - still underdevelopement) The site does not deserve to be number one they serve central Florida - but google put it on the first page just in case people forgot to type in a location. It does not deserve to be number one!

But "closet manufacturer florida" for finedesigncloset.com is number one. It is closer to being what people want. The engines are working hard to give searchers what they want not what SEO's want.

So my technique is to just out-work the other guys. If they depend on techniques to trick or beat the engines and it is an honest product or service I'll beat them by being honest and working harder then they do and applying solid online marketing techniques. That's the secret - hard work!