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Old 03-03-2008, 08:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I posted about less than half a year ago in this forums about a site that's been nagging me. Back then it started barely 1-2 months ago (while mine had been going for 9+ months, updating almost every other day at the least). And that site I was worried about was creeping up the Google search engines and yet it had a Google Rank of 0!

It took me forever to get up there and this site goes up in a couple months with Page Rank of 0. I'm told by people in these forums that this site is just lucky and it won't stay up for long. But it did! It's been half a year and now it's #2 and I'm now #1 for Google search keywords 'club penguin cheats'. HOW DID THEY DO IT?
The site is called clubpenguingang.com
My site is watex.wordpress.com

Here's the main point:

As you'll notice on my competitor's site, there is a LOT of Advertisement (from GoogleAds, I think. I don't know much about it) on the site. And I don't know why. Apparently, you get money for advertising for GoogleAds.
But what does this site owner do with the money? Can he pay Google to increase his rank? Can he pay other engines? I doubt that's the only keyword search that puts him so high, so how did he get so good in the other keywords by starting so soon? He's ranked much higher than me in the keywords 'club penguin' on Google.

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P.S. please move this to the google section if it's more appropriate
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The reason he is getting better ranking is for one reason only, His domain name has his keywords. It is a known fact that search engines add more weight to keywords if the keywords are in the Domain Name.
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Old 03-04-2008, 12:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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His domain name has his key words is #1
#2 - His Slogan or his Aim...
#3 - He might have subscribed for google ad words
#4 - Back Links(which increase by doing link exchange)

Having around 500+ Back links aprox is enough to get a good PR !
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Old 03-04-2008, 03:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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yup! specially if that keyword is very much related to the site.
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yup... the title says it all. He has a descriptive title, you have a kind of generic looking title.

One of my sites is the exact make and model of a motorcycle. I built the site, put up probably 10 pictures of said bike and 3 articles. The site started gaining traffic almost instantly. I have done absolutely nothing to the site since, and it is still growing...just because of a good descriptive name.
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Gotta agree. Domain name with keywords is key. When starting a new site, I spend the most time making sure I've picked the right keywords, and then picked the right domain name containing them.
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even your competitors includes keywords in its domain, doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be overtaken by them or has a very big advantage on you. keywords on domain really helps but its just doesn't do it all, anchoring of text and gaining lots of quality backlinks is the best...
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His domain name has his key words is #1
#2 - His Slogan or his Aim...
#3 - He might have subscribed for google ad words
#4 - Back Links(which increase by doing link exchange)

Having around 500+ Back links aprox is enough to get a good PR !
i searched a bunch of keywords on google and none of them came up with a google ad words for that site

what could he be using all those ads on his site for?

and wat do u mean by slogan/aim? do u mean the purpose of the site?

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yup... the title says it all. He has a descriptive title, you have a kind of generic looking title.

One of my sites is the exact make and model of a motorcycle. I built the site, put up probably 10 pictures of said bike and 3 articles. The site started gaining traffic almost instantly. I have done absolutely nothing to the site since, and it is still growing...just because of a good descriptive name.
wat do u mean? can u be more elaborate?

i made my site title like that because i think it looks to the point, easy, interesting. and i didn't fill it with a horrible description title like clubpenguingang.com's because that looks like a spam site, right?
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Hmmm,

don't you just love blogs with no static pages? - page changes - position changes - no mystery there
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Page Rank has nothing to do with rankings.

You don't get high rankings by paying out Google.

Go to Yahoo Site Explorer and analzye how this site builds his links - or just an ordinary "link:" query on yahoo search bar. Out think and outdo your competition in terms of SEO - thats the logical solution.
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Optimize ur Index Page wit relevant keywords and Description. This would get ur lost position Back. If done accurately
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Page Rank has nothing to do with rankings.

You don't get high rankings by paying out Google.

Go to Yahoo Site Explorer and analzye how this site builds his links - or just an ordinary "link:" query on yahoo search bar. Out think and outdo your competition in terms of SEO - thats the logical solution.
wont a link query just tell u how many backlinks you have?

and wat do u mean "build's his links"? i just see his backlinks and pages.
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wont a link query just tell u how many backlinks you have?

and wat do u mean "build's his links"? i just see his backlinks and pages.
You will get an idea on where your competition builds his backlinks - if they from forums, directories, blogs, etc. You could take advantage of that to see what he has done to have such a high ranking and also what you might have missed out.

Query of "link:" on the Yahoo search bar will redirect you to the Yahoo Site Explorer - just a quicker access.

I would suggest you also give it a month or two, Google is giving initial boost in rankings for new sites. This is also a possible reason.
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You should be very proud of yourself because you have an authorative site. However your competitor has alot of seo advantages on their site.

Not to mention it's a blogger blog ... !!! wink, wink
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Page Rank has nothing to do with rankings.

You don't get high rankings by paying out Google.

Go to Yahoo Site Explorer and analzye how this site builds his links - or just an ordinary "link:" query on yahoo search bar. Out think and outdo your competition in terms of SEO - thats the logical solution.
True story. Theres lots of pr5 pages that rank for crap.
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The site is called clubpenguingang.com
My site is watex.wordpress.com
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As mentioned, links seem to be the most important difference. Yet the Alexa rank is way up there, so content is also the main difference as users are going there.

clubpenguingang.com is a site with information and a blog in there. Your site is a blog hosted on wordpress. Blogs are having a problem with spam.

It may be too late, but you want to look at getting your own site and then build that one up. You also need to start doing basic SEO stuff. Get reading or hire someone.
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The PR0 isn't reliable - they don't update too frequently I believe
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The reason he is getting better ranking is for one reason only, His domain name has his keywords. It is a known fact that search engines add more weight to keywords if the keywords are in the Domain Name.
Definitely agree with the domain, it's a very important factor!
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wat do u mean? can u be more elaborate?

i made my site title like that because i think it looks to the point, easy, interesting. and i didn't fill it with a horrible description title like clubpenguingang.com's because that looks like a spam site, right?
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clubpenguingang.com doesn't look like a spam site. Or, moreover, the name doesn't. It looks like a descriptive name. While your title (minus the .wordpress part, thats terrible IMO) might be easy to remember, google probably isn't really sure what it means.

Hope that helps, i'm tired right now
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I also have same situation but differ in some way, there is a PR 3 site that over rank my site on the and I check its backlinks it on has 30k+ and I have 70k+. why does it rank over my site?
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