There is No Benefit of Google Page Rank - Page 5

corlock · 05-14-2008, 11:13 AM

for me, alexa is nothing like a number that counts to millions that is senseless...

netdebut · 05-14-2008, 12:39 PM

Well, son-of-ah-beautiful mother... I should stop looking at my Alexa ranking, lol. You're right. I'll just count how many members I have, how much money I generate and how much growth we gain.

Back to work!

snowbird · 05-14-2008, 01:03 PM

Let's see... Should I believe the OP's comment that PageRank is useless or believe what Google says?

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PageRank reflects our view of the importance of web pages by considering more than 500 million variables and 2 billion terms. Pages that we believe are important pages receive a higher PageRank and are more likely to appear at the top of the search results.

I think I will believe Google because I am thinking the OP is ranking high for possibly his full name.

Now there is talk of Alexa stats. Alexa rankings may matter to those selling advertising and/or links. But I don't need Alexa stats for my own site because I have access to the raw log files. My log files are much more accurate and detailed then Alexa.

fastreplies · 05-14-2008, 03:59 PM

But Google never mention GTB green image, if you read what was said

PR Google has been talking about is a part of algo, and that part is unknown...

or maybe I missed something and you can point me to where Google says GTB PR reflect your real PR standing

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netdebut · 05-14-2008, 04:50 PM

Yeah, I can go by my log files and see that we've received over 1 million inquiries a month. Alexa might not be 100% accurate, but it helps. Just like Google - it's not 100% accurate when you're doing a search, but it helps.

I don't focus largely on these things. These are just quirky goals of mine, that's all. As I mentioned above, what I concentrate on are how much traffic I really get, how many members I get signed up, how many ads my system delivers and see how I can improve them each week.

**Cricket** · 05-14-2008, 04:53 PM

I think that most of of understand that there is a difference between visible PageRank and real PageRank. I don't see where anyone is saying otherwise.

Visible PageRank is what you see in your Google toolbar. At this point, that has been updating an average of every three months or so.

HOWEVER, real PageRank is continually updated and continually factored into how the search results are determined. By the time you see a change in the toolbar, any effects of that change have already long since been included in the search results.

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Google updates its index data, including backlinks and PageRank, continually and continuously. We only export new backlinks, PageRank, or directory data every three months or so though. (We started doing that last year when too many SEOs were suffering from “B.O.”, short for backlink obsession.) When new backlinks/PageRank appear, we’ve already factored that into our rankings quite a while ago. What Is An Update by Google Engineer, Matt Cutts

netdebut · 05-14-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fastreplies

Up to this point your posts sound very reasonable but... come on man. Alexa???

You will get information that is more accurate by reading tealeaves than from Alexa’s Traffic poop.
Get serious and leave Alexa alone for SEO gurus talking points.

LOL, "tealeaves?" Ha, I use rice! Kidding of course.

My response above was also towards you. Lemme give you an idea of how quirky my goals get.

I'm in the US Navy. We are required (at my age and gender) to do 50 push-ups within 2 minutes, 42 curl-ups (sit-ups) in 2 minutes, and 1.5 miles in 13:15. The most I've ever done was 130 push-ups, 129 sit-ups and ran the 1.5 miles in 8:32.

Is it necessary? No. Just my personal quirky goal. Does it matter to anyone else? Not really. However, I do get free days off for beating all of my commanding officers. It's a reward almost all commanding officers do for us enlisted guys. So far, I've received about 10 free days of paid vacation from beating them, lol. Suckers. I don't even train!

Most people get out of the military (their first time) as an E-3. Some people are able to make it to E-4 before getting out. I'm getting out as an E-5. It's not the best advancement rate yet, but it's a lot better than others.

It's really weird, but I don't try to be better than others, but it's nice to know that I'm not the last one. You know what I mean?

netdebut · 05-14-2008, 05:05 PM

Hey Cricket,

You seem to know more about PR. Can you explain to me how in about 4 months my site could drop from a PR4 to a 0? I can't quite understand that. I know I don't do any kind of SEO blackhat, because I don't do SEO anyway.

I know I get a lot of returning links because every time I search for my company name, there are plenty of results. I know I'm receiving traffic from the search engine. And ironically, I use keywords, titles, descriptions and so on in my pages. It's habit. I learned about doing these things years ago when I first got started on building websites.

Anyway, I simply can't understand what would cause my site to drop so drastically, besides the fact that we'd be competing against Google in the contextual ad market.

**Cricket** · 05-14-2008, 05:07 PM

The site in your signature? I would guess Google likely believes you are selling links.

The only indexed content on that page is to another domain.

fastreplies · 05-14-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cricket

I think that most of of understand that there is a difference between visible PageRank and real PageRank.

Are you sure?

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Originally Posted by Cricket

Visible PageRank is what you see in your Google toolbar. At this point, that has been updating an average of every three months or so.

HOWEVER, real PageRank is continually updated and continually factored into how the search results are determined.

I hope you don’t pitch this sermon in my direction because I wrote one just like your long time ago

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**Cricket** · 05-14-2008, 09:34 PM

netdebut · 05-15-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cricket

The site in your signature? I would guess Google likely believes you are selling links.

The only indexed content on that page is to another domain.

No, it's fairadsnetwork.com - the link in my signature was a new domain I registered a few days ago. I'm pointing traffic there for now to test response rate.

MrCat · 05-15-2008, 02:19 AM

A lot of websites base the rates of the links and ads sold on their site via their PR. Aside from that, I don't see any real value as it can easily be manipulated. Having a site with low PR that has high targeted traffic rate is always better than a high PR site with less traffic IMO.

snowbird · 05-15-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fastreplies

But Google never mention GTB green image, if you read what was said

PR Google has been talking about is a part of algo, and that part is unknown...

or maybe I missed something and you can point me to where Google says GTB PR reflect your real PR standing

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My response was to the OP's comment that PR means nothing.

Yes, the toolbar data is not current. But right after a PR export, it is usually pretty darn accurate since the "PR snapshot" was taken 2-4 weeks prior. There is not a more accurate gauge then that, which explains why so many webmasters are compelled to use the toolbar PR as a gauge of a page's health and importance.

DarthMall · 05-15-2008, 10:53 AM

Ok, can anyone answer my question yet? Would 100 different links from a PR6 be the same as 100,00 links from a PR0 site? I am asking how these would effect my own PR, not necessarily my location in a G search. Thanks for the insight, but there are too many conflicting opinions here.

DarthMall · 05-15-2008, 10:54 AM

thats 100,00 or 10,000 or a million... whatever. Im just asking because many are saying that PR no longer matters.

fastreplies · 05-15-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

thats 100,00 or 10,000 or a million... whatever. Im just asking because many are saying that PR no longer matters.

Yes, GTB PR no longer matter

Now,
100 links from PR6 sites are = to 100 links
10,000 links from PR0 sites are = to 10,000 links

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xboxgurl70s · 05-15-2008, 06:46 PM

so that's your real argument, now i get it. hehe

peterko · 05-16-2008, 10:56 AM

I'm not sure if 100 links from PR6 sites are = to 100 links and 10,000 links from PR0 sites are = to 10,000 links.

Yes, I agree it's possible now that you cannot raise your PR simply because you're linked to PR6, but you can significantly increase your traffic and SERP because you're linked to PR6 website. So, as for me, I would still get links from the sites with higher PR rather than lower PR.

Have a great day,
Peter

fastreplies · 05-16-2008, 12:33 PM

Link is a link is a link. Period

Link from DMOZ is = to link from website with one text page that point to your site.

The only people who are talking about "good" and "bad" links, are SEOs with agendas and n00bs who don't understand how SE operate.

Believe me, folks at Google won't panish your site just because some garbage penis, or porno sites, or 'how to make money for doing nothing' morons placed link to your site. They may give very little weight to that link but it will be counted regardless where that link came from.

SEs job is to gather and to record information and nothing more.

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