Understanding Google Algorithm

[seoguru]

Hey guys!...
I am a bit new here, So I am trying to write everthing what I have reserached and have facts for...

I have tried to understand google algo on basis of optimising two sites, and I will be quoting everthying based on results obtained on these two sites..

Site 1 -Rental Car Canada -> http://www.rental-car-canada.com
Site 2 -Cheap car rental in Usa Canada -> http://www.cheap-car-rental-in-usa-canada.com


Both sites were first indexed on June 1st by google, hosted few days back..

Observation 1
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For "Rental Car in Canada". I am targeting keyword... Rental Car in Canada itself...

SERP results reported on 18th June
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allinurl: rental car canada #5 - SERP Page 1
allintitle: rental car in canada #8 - SERP Page 1
allintext: rental car in canada #9 - SERP Page 1
allinanchor: rental car in canada #10 - SERP Page 1
rental car in canada - No result
PR of site - 0 (No PR given so far)

Now I think if it is showing such a good result for allinurl, allintitle, allintext and allinachor, why it is absent for any result in SERP when searching for rental car in canada itself.

I think the algo is kinda --
(allinurl + allintitle + allintext + allinachor) * PR

where a proper weightage is given to everything before multiplying it to PR. Now I have added the 4 is, since if any of the thing is absent too, results are seen on SERP.

But there is one thing which contradict this observation when searching for keywords in quotes, I am shown in SERPs. I think this can be explained as -- still trying to figure out.... ( I think google seems to search for exact terms by using allinurl, allintitle, allintext , allinachor separately).. I said not very sure, just trying to figure out..


Observation 2
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I think presence of keywords in opening paragraphs or closing paragraphs have more importance..

Observation 3
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One thing I have noticed is as soon as I was indexed, I applied for an adsense account. But I activated adsense on only one site. The day I opened it, I started noticing a lot of activity from google bot on the site where adsense was activated... daily activity...
This can also means either new links are coming directly to my site or "new" links going to those site that I have linked to me.
But since I have linked both sites to all the sites in same fashion, there has to be a different reason.


I think thispost is becoming longer and longer, I might be giving out only crap, but this is what I think and have seen, and I am going to follow these rules... Lets see what John and awall have to say...

[mjm1905]

I am on the same page as you. Been conducting the same kind of research by analyzing the first 10 result pages. I think PR is only an enhancement to the search results. I know a few people mentioned this in here before, but you see pages with lower PR come before higher PR for some search phrases.

What I noticed, 9 out of 10 times, the top site has the exact phrase in the search, and a lot of backlinks with the phrase. I have noticed some sites getting tops with the URL. But I am thinking of more the title and the Anchor text. I am strongly starting to go against the PR system. I do not believe in the least bit that it is the premis of the search results, I think it just gives weight, but doesn't actually make you number one for a particular phrase.

Bob Wakfer, who posts in here often presented a well written article in regards to the Algo of google. It is pretty interesting to read:
http://www.compar.com/infopool/artic...lculation.html

[pcarlow]

Given those results I believe you will be ranked in the top ten by the next time Google does a backlink and PR update. I started showing up for allinanchor about 2-4 weeks before I showed up close to the same spot in the SERPs.

[seoguru]

I'll keep you posted of new results and see if they come out according to observations..

[Michael Schlottfeld]

I am experiencing the same thing with http://www.whalesale.com and the keyword aquarium supply.

I am showing up in the top 10 for the allins except for allinurl which is understandable.

I am also showing up somewhere after the top 100 when I search for the keyword aquarium supply without the allin modifier added.

[wozza]

like I said stop wasting your time with link spamming and get your self listed in the Google Directory under this classifcation

works wonders

[awall19]

Originally Posted by wozza

like I said stop wasting your time with link spamming and get your self listed in the Google Directory under this classifcation

works wonders

hungry? are we going out to lunch there wozza?

what is link spamming? why do you put so much weight in the Google Directory? did you fail to notice its recent demotion? do you realize how many times they even update it each year? do you realize how some sites do not get edited for months or years in the ODP?

sure the link will help some, but it is not like you can just will your way into the Google Directory. it is not like putting a ton more effort into it will often bring reward either.

work on other getting other links and if the Google Directory lists your site it is a bonus. by itself though a Google Directory listing usually does not work wonders.

[Shawn]

My opinions..

First the allinanchor commands are good estimator if the results returned are around the same number as the results returned with the commands. In this case for example:

Results 1 - 10 of about 4,430 for allinanchor:rental car in canada
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,830,000 for rental car in canada

From what Ive seen allinanchor versus the actual results is easier to correlate with 1 keyword or 2 keywords (example "cars", not "cars in montgomery alabama"). Simply because many more sites are likely to have the term "cars" in the anchor text as oppossed to the full term "cars in montgomery alabama.

As far as comparing allintitle, url and text, etc honestly, I would just get as many backlinks on different ip c blocks with variations of your targeted keyword.

[wozza]

google directory classifies your site as the most relevant website for a search term, all my sites are ranked in the top
5 search results no matter how optimized they are simply because google favours directory sites first above anything else.

Simple but true.

If you think DMOZ was demoted think again

[awall19]

Originally Posted by wozza

google directory classifies your site as the most relevant website for a search term

blatently incorrect.

Originally Posted by wozza

all my sites are ranked in the top
5 search results no matter how optimized they are simply because google favours directory sites first above anything else.
Simple but true.

you have done a good bit of dispensing incorrect information as fact. are you trying to mislead people? or do you think your limited knowledge and experience scales well across the entire web? hint: it does not!

Originally Posted by wozza

If you think DMOZ was demoted think again

did you not notice how they were removed from google's home page and the category listings no longer appear in Google's serps?

[John Scott]

LOL. "Wozza postings" <- we should coin this term as a way of saying "posting false information as fact".

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

LOL. "Wozza postings" <- we should coin this term as a way of saying "posting false information as fact".

[wozza]

error

[wozza]

Originally Posted by wozza

If you think DMOZ was demoted think again

did you not notice how they were removed from google's home page and the category listings no longer appear in Google's serps?

err... click the more option

geez.... I'm not going to argue with you all but for those wondering why the lame tactic of trying to get as many sites to link to you isn't getting you listed in the top search results for REAL actual searched popular terms then not being classified by Google Directory is your answer

Even Google explains the importance on its Search Engine Ranking FAQ


Web search integration. Google's innovative classification technique connects regular Google search results with information in the Google Web Directory. This technology gives users one-click access from regular Google search results to the most relevant hand-selected web pages in the Google directory. Google's regular web search results are enhanced by information from the Google directory.

Obviously you are not professional SEOs at all and have a long way to go in the learning curve.

[John Scott]

Web search integration. Google's innovative classification technique connects regular Google search results with information in the Google Web Directory. This technology gives users one-click access from regular Google search results to the most relevant hand-selected web pages in the Google directory. Google's regular web search results are enhanced by information from the Google directory.

Wozza, that text is outdated. It refers to the way Google used to display a link to the Google Directory category where the web page was listed. Google no longer displays the link in the SERPs.

And, I think you are misunderstanding what that text meant. You seem to think that Google somehow bases its algorithim on DMOZ's ontology. DMOZ's ontonogy is often referred to as the messiest of ontologies, and Google would be pure crap if it had ever used it to that extent.

Your postings here are so far beyond the realm of common sense it's hard to believe that you actually believe the stuff you post yourself.

[awall19]

Originally Posted by wozza

err... click the more option

thats right, important stuff usually goes in the more section. that is a promotion right? usually when I promote stuff on my site I take it off the home page and put it on a different page with a link going to it with the word "more"...

Originally Posted by wozza

geez.... I'm not going to argue with you all but for those wondering why the lame tactic of trying to get as many sites to link to you isn't getting you listed in the top search results for REAL actual searched popular terms then not being classified by Google Directory is your answer

search for search marketing in Google. guess who is #1 buddy? thats right, me. guess what else? that page is not in the Google directory. recently they entered my newsletter as a page in the directory, but my site was #1 long before that newsletter was listed.

Originally Posted by wozza

This technology gives users one-click access from regular Google search results to the most relevant hand-selected web pages in the Google directory.

feel free to list one of your practical high frequency searches that actually shows this in the search results. again I will state it, "DMOZ was demoted in Google." It still may help a bunch for some sites, but it is not the A#1 ranking factor for most competitive search terms.

Originally Posted by wozza

Obviously you are not professional SEOs at all and have a long way to go in the learning curve.

I may not know anything about "professional search engine marketing," but if you searched google for that term today
http://www.google.com/search?q=profe...gine+marketing
they listed my site at #1 (above the search engine marketing professional organization), though I am sure search engine marketing is not as competitive of a category as your niche game category is.

[pcarlow]

wozza, take a hint and realize your "theory" is busted. Do some research and find out the truth before you come blabbing on these boards about how to get top rankings. It's fools like you that mis-lead me for 6 months and kept me in the dark about what really works while I was trying to learn how to get good rankings. Thankfully I found this site which made everything much clearer. Now go get a clue.

[ferret77]

It's fools like you that mis-lead me for 6 months and kept me in the dark about what really works while I was trying to learn how to get good rankings

thats the main reason i hate 'ethical seos', not becuase they have a different view point but becasue listening them wasted my time, and which in term slowed down the success of some of the first sites I built

but for those wondering why the lame tactic of trying to get as many sites to link to you isn't getting you listed in the top search results for REAL actual searched popular terms

I don't think there is too many people wondering that, I bet a lot more are wondering why being in dmoz and a handful of relevent direcotries didn't jack for their rankings in competitive terms

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by awall19

search for search marketing in Google. guess who is #1 buddy? thats right, me.

Damn! out of 13 million results!

I'm jealous!

[thebassman]

Wow... I think I may be hitting you up for some SEO stuff aaron.