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Originally Posted by scorpionagency
Actually I have seen that. The price goes UP to compensate for all the combined Piracy (Hacks) & their own employee overhead.
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That’s an assumption, or corporate propaganda
Lets be clear this software is intended for Company’s and Professionals not John and Jill the standard Home users, or there kid in puberty don’t care how many times the main company says it isdesigned for them, that’s Marketing
And no home user unless there a professional, would be using photoshop to crop photos etc, when they can use a vast ray of cheap and Open source alternatives or even the built in features for vista and add-ons that are free to download and use for xp
" Google Windows XP Power Tools "
And most if not all Company’s and Professionals, do buy legal copies as its in there best interests, you get caught get a police record of piracy of Plagerisum then forget about future employment.
Companies that cant afford the package, don’t usually have the professional for the job anyways, and as such, tend to hire professionals, that again above have the package
So the justification for increases in price, are not justifiable especially when Photoshop has No Industry standard competition, any competition they do have they have shares in.
If anything there feeling the slow down due to the fact there is less and less people to sell there product to, and this is not due to piracy, but the fact there is a LIMIT to how many people need and want to use it, who do not already own a previous version that does the job.
But then again many company’s still buy the latest version directly after release even if CS2 CS3 CS4 Have minor differences’ between them that don’t warrant a justification to upgrade
If it ever came to a push for the users that use pirated software, to pay for it or not use it, they will choose NOT to use it.
An good example of that would be any site offering a service or product for free, and when they had the choice to either pay a premium or not use it, they always choose not to use it, and the site suddenly went bankrupt after 3 years of failed attempts
and in the case of Photoshop or psp, they would suddenly switch to Gimp and other alternatives
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Originally Posted by scorpionagency
Developers feed their families with the profits made from the sales.
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That again I don’t believe Developers get a wage the company gets the profit, and they profit from there professional courses there books and training materials as well, while Adobe etc have justification in part for this for some people, they are getting too much like Microsoft’s attitude to professional qualifications, in fact there prices are TRIPPLE in Scotland and in England “don’t know about Wales or Ireland”
while some developers or to be specific Programers are earning clost to nothing, those ones in particular, can be described as "coding slaves" and there money is entirly wage based, and the trainning courses they go on, take it FROM that wage
I very unethical method, that has been used by many companys and in some lesser extend have been passed under the table into countrys it would not normally be allowed,
one company you can use for an example of that is Dell
Now back to the subject of the Professional qualification doctrine For example if you do a MCSA course, and they release an update to the course in 3 months, your MCSA qualification is meaningless and you have to redo it and a each person on each course gives the company a profit of £1000, which increases if there is more than 5 in a class, and many of these class’s feature 20 or more, and run 3 times a month, in a location at a time, in London a class I once took averaged far more people than that, a single day they made a profit of no less than £30,000 and the course lasted 2 weeks
Now if I where to assume Developers got a share a piece of the profits it would probably be the “software sales only” again it would be a percentage, but they should still get a wage
Last i checked it is one the highest wages a professional can get.
So I don’t see How they can be suffering, its not as if the last versions have had any major or overly complicated changes that requires sudden mass employment of developers.
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Originally Posted by scorpionagency
PSP also has its share of hacked copies, but nowhere close to PS or even CorelDraw
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this one you cant Prove or Disprove as I don’t go around these circles in mass, even if I did I don’t touch the software side, and there is too many sites out there, and telling the difference between a real piracy website and a fake, it would take too long but I do know enough to say its called CRACKED copies or Pirated calling them hacked it’s wee bit like calling a fireman an arsonist
I own a license for CS3, a few 3rd party app’s I rather not mention for professional reasons, and a several versions of Fireworks, flash, Dreamweaver and software associated that has either been integrated into cs3 or no longer supported, and a legal licence of every piece of windows software ever made right up to just before home server and server 2008 beta got released
Company’s Like Microsoft, Adobe and Cisco throw software at support personnel like me, I have twelve copies of windows xp “falls on his knees and starts crying, why you dirty apes whyyyyy”
I mean seriously I have worked in a business, and I understand making a profit, but if someone is overpricing, when they have little or no competition, expecting honest people to not to turn to piracy is a bit nuts
I personally can not condone “Piracy in many senses” but I like to think if I Buy a game a piece of software legally, and a movie on dvd, then I should be allowed to put it on my iphone, on my computer on anything I own
For example
“and this is prob the worst example someone with my sense of humour should use” lets say that if I should go down to a supermarket buy a bottle of whipped cream designed for use on ice cream, then I should not be restricted on how I choose to use it, where I am to use it”
Currently I am not too miffed with EA choice of DRM, as it has made many of there games hard and if not impossible to play, and I much prefer the Valve method
where it helps the developer, the gamers and the price is above all else is "Fair & Honest"
Also I am not fond of some Developers choice in sucking money out of peoples pockets in the game industry for example, over the past 3 years I have seen more and more games and software being released finished “but with serious errors, that may or may not crop up” which in turn cost you a premium for a shoddy product, recently they have suggested subjecting users who buy 2nd hand software and games to a Fee, Developers and publishers have already started to push one-time download codes for new games, meaning should you do a reinstall “another £50 out your pocket”
And now they’re creating a Monopoly with 2nd hand games, by forcing game shops that sell 2nd hand games to stop selling them, The argument against used games is that by buying them, you're cheating the developer out of potential profits he or she may otherwise have obtained had you purchased the game as new, but again if you can’t afford It new then of course you won be buying it period and when you do inevitably have the money do you buy the game at a minor reduced price or buy the brand spanking new version by another company
Exactly, i can soo see games company keeping customers
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Originally Posted by scorpionagency
Both software's can achieve the same results to an experienced designer
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Are you talking about the product as a whole or just vectors, if a whole and just the program without addons then photoshop wins hand down, if your talking about just vectors, I couldn’t say as I use illustrator for vectors, and have started to import a finished product in illustrator into Photoshop for particulars, which tbh drove me a little crazy lately
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As far as the software being able to track what websites you visit when you're not using it, well, I've never heard of such a thing & I'm curious as to where you found that proof to support the claim?
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it was found out by a web server manager, that certain versions of Paintshop Pro, back when xp was coming into play to replace windows 98 as the top dog of the windows, at this point one of the versions that came “for free” with several PC magazines over a year all had a complete copy of the last version of Paintshop pro, and a demo of Photoshop or Corel Draw, I cant recall which could be all three to be honest since they where highly completive, and these magazines loved to compare in order to sell more issues
But I recall clearly it was Paintshop pro that was caught doing the dirty, mostly because I was a heavy user of it at the time, in particularly the animation addon and was using a Upgraded Demo bought by a similar magazine called PC Format
It was discovered when the web server admin decided to try a demo of paintshop pro on his spare server in oppose to his main computer “prob because it was backed up, and it unlike his main machine did not already have a copy of paintshop pro installed”
He noticed his server could not process a image he already made as quickly as his older version, and the spec was not much different, so he played around with it, then all his websites went down, or became hard to access
So he checked the server access and usage logs, “or whatever it was I cant recall this was about 6 years ago”
So a few things popped out, that he did not recognize and he noticed whenever he opened an additional webpage one of these programs would increase in resource usage
So off he goes opens a dozen webpages it increases slightly, drops down when closed
Once paintshop pro was removed, the problem remained, so he restored from backup, then reinstalled it to see if the same problem came up
Shortly after this being reported Paintshop Pro was pulled from the Magazines monthly cd-rom “might have returned if they pulled that feature”
Last year they where caught doing a similar feature but with gathering information’s with your licences and not just there own, that is common knowledge
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Originally Posted by scorpionagency
My PSP has no files in its archive that resemble a temp or perm harvesting storage for browser data.
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Well I doubt they would make it easy to notice, and it does not have to store data in a predefined directory also, this was noticed on a earlier version and may not be the same as the one you are using, also remmber Paint Shop pro was owned By Jasc before coral, and with a change in adminsitation/company policys "there excuse" there methods will have changed
you should however have no problem finding info, on the latest version of PSP monitoring your computer running in background and collects licensing information, this small app will still run if you uninstall PSP, and PSP will cease to run if you disable hinder or delete this 3rd party app
the discovery of this app, was done by the same method as previouslt mentioned, but the size of usage of the app does not change with how many IE windows you have open, nor is it a intergrated part of PSP
and dont expect me to responde, i dont mean to be rude, but i think i just did a weeks worth of typing i rather not do again
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