Corey Rudl (legit or scam?)

imaginemn · 03-11-2005, 03:45 PM

Has anyone heard of him? Is this legit? I have a client that want to join his program and I have no idea on whether or not to recommend him or not.

marketingtips.com

imaginemn

Chili · 03-11-2005, 04:24 PM

email marketer... sells ebooks and such.
Never bought anything from him, but I know he's made a lot of money spamming people.. I mean opt-in mailing... for years.
Not a fan of how-to-get-rich ebook spammers...

MarketJunction · 03-11-2005, 08:04 PM

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Not a fan of how-to-get-rich ebook spammers

I always love how people who have never made $20k a month are going to sell, I mean tell, me on how I can do just that.

My favorite is the guy who did something once with a little success and then tries to sell everyone else on it. The market is so big that I could not possible hurt my income by allowing thousands of competitors in on my secret...

pcarlow · 03-12-2005, 06:54 PM

It's the same old tired scam that's been going on long before the internet was around. For just $xx.xx I'll show you how to get rich beyond your wildest dreams.

I'm not saying the rudl doesn't offer any valid information, but most of it can probably be found free with a little time and effort. Save your $200 and buy some adwords or links.

imaginemn · 03-12-2005, 11:10 PM

Actually the startup money is 7 - 10k, you are "hand selected" to participate in the program. Etc, etc, etc. I also got a hold of a copy of his marketing tips. Decent advice but nothing but common sense marketing tactics. It would be worth the investment if you are a beginner and don't have the time to spend hours searching online to get all the same info.

I told my client to give me the 10k. I'll invest it for him with strategically placed ads and if he didn't double that money in 6 months. I would personally refund 50% of it. He liked that idea better.

Thank you all for the comments. It helped very much.

imaginemn

Fruit & Veg · 03-14-2005, 10:49 AM

http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...highlight=rudl

imaginemn · 03-14-2005, 01:49 PM

Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read.

imaginemn

UKZJ007 · 03-15-2005, 01:29 PM

Scam for sure!

imaginemn · 03-15-2005, 02:30 PM

I read his Internet Marketing course. Based on my 20 years experience in traditional Marketing I would have to say that his course is really, truly a great value for $200. It probably one of the best on the market today. I would recommend the course. The software that he sells are pretty bad in comparison to other products out there on the market. They are hard to use and many of them do not offer technical support.

When you join his program you are basically selling Corey, not selling your business. Don't get me wrong if you are VERY dedicated you will make some money. But he is starting to get a reputation for treating his resellers badly. For example he sells his products directly on his Web site. So if I were a reseller and promoted his products his page would come up before resellers in SE results that resellers don’t get paid for. That means that if you resell for Corey Rudl, you are going to be sending traffic to him that you aren’t going to get paid for. I have also read and heard that some of his long time resellers are not happy the direction Corey is going. He is just getting too big.

My final assessment is that reading his course is good for beginners but I would not recommend reselling for him or using his software.

I just wanted to thank everyone for taking the time to read/post and for helping my client and I on this. It's well appreciated. My client is VERY happy with the results so far.

I guess it's time for me to create an online course. Anyone want to volunteer to help???

imaginemn

mysticalmaze · 03-16-2005, 12:59 AM

Hey,

I guess you guys missed th time his wife sent out an email while he
was sleeping, and he would kill her if he found out she was mailing his list.

But she just had to let you in on this secret, because he was crazy for not
doing it himself, and he would've thanked her after he found out, etc......

I'm sure he is as wealthy as he claims.

For myself, I like learning from my mistakes, partner relationships, webmasters,
and even people who are new to marketing. The newbies sometimes come up with the simplest approachs to what I seem to complicate.

I myself have had some business success, but it has taken 2 years, yet
minimal mistakes. I owe most of this to fellow marketers who have gone out
of their way to help, without asking for a cent in return. Am I Rich? NO
Am I a Guru like Corey? No, and I hope I never get labeled that way!

Ultimately we have to choose our direction, but always stay positive and set a goal or you have nothing to reach for...

Robert

awall19 · 03-21-2005, 01:53 AM

I got his dvd set and book. watched the dvd and read part of the book so far. decent stuff in the value of the information itself, except for the fact that it is dated and he has little knowledge about SEO.

where he really loses credibility is that he created software products for about everything he recommends. as I understand it much of his software is overpriced and of low quality compared to many other tools on the market.

he is all about upsell upsell upsell.

I stayed on a two hour long phone conversation about his mentor program just to learn the sales pitch and whatnot.

its kinda funny how they try to make you feel guilty if you say no.

I eventually am going to write an article about his mentor program based on the sales pitch.

his book is a bit dated but decent... just stay away from his software. and of course if people recommend inferior products for personal profit that hurts their credibility a ton.

ladan · 03-21-2005, 06:50 AM

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I guess you guys missed th time his wife sent out an email while he
was sleeping, and he would kill her if he found out she was mailing his list.

No, I didn't miss that email. I think it was one of his tricks and he sent that email himself - not his wife. I think he just wanted to attract our attention and make more sales. That's what he often does.

I've been a subscriber to his newsletter for a couple of years. I've read 2 of his ebooks and watched his seminar videos. I can say I know him very much. He's an Internet marketing expert and there's no doubt in it. But he always keeps most of his secrets for himself and doesn't reveal them.

I bought 2 of his ebooks, "The Insider Secrets to Marketing Your Business on The Internet" and "The Insider Secrets to Email Marketing". The time I wanted to buy the first course, it was also available as an ebook which was $100 cheaper than the paper book. I also ordered his Ultimate Seminar on DVD. The ebooks contained some valuable information, but the DVD was a complete waste of money.

If you're a beginner, I recommend reading the above ebooks. His software programs are expensive. Some of them are really worth the price, some of them not. Make sure you read some honest reviews before buying them.

There are 2 types of Internet marketing experts in this world:
1. The ones who like to both help people and make money
2. The ones who want to make money and don't care about people very much

As I know Corey, I place his name on the second group. But other experts like Joe Vitale, Ken Evoy and Rosalind Gardner do certainly care about other people and really want them to succeed.

Ladan

mysticalmaze · 03-21-2005, 11:14 AM

Hey,

As for the wife sending an email, well I was just making a point. I did'nt
believe it for a second. It was a Marketing Ploy! He uses many. Like the
dated ready to expire ploy. Its just a ploy to get you to buy now.

Corey is certainly not a Scam. He is a marketing genius (guru) if you will,
and he has made a fortune on the Internet. I'm sure he spends a lot of
money on his web page designs, as well as his software.

Look at McDonalds or BurgerKing commercials. They make those burgers
look great with high priced marketing techniques and photography.
I'm sure you will all agree that when you go there and buy one, they
look nothing like in the commercials.

I could take a service or software product that exists now, find a coder, add
some new features and market my own, but if you really want something of
value you should expect to pay a large sum of money initially to get the
script made. Then there's the sales page content and design, plus the cost of advertising.

In the end, if people find it to be a valuable service or software they will
purchase it.

Corey has been doing just that for years!

In this day and age there are free methods for just about everything, but
for the newbies coming on line, they don't even know where to start. So
for some people purchasing his ebooks whatever help them to get started in
the right direction. You can spend hours and hours sifting through all the info
available on the net. In the end, you must decide what is valuable info.
Many get caught up in the hype and scams that are out there waiting to
pounce.

For myself, his ebooks and software are over priced, so I never paid for them.
I also have read his newsletter's for 2 yrs now. I like to see what others
are doing, and how they do it. Watch and learn. Forums are also a great
way to learn, and there are many people willing to help guide us in the
right direction, but there are also the con artists as well...

Robert

pcarlow · 03-21-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mysticalmaze

his ebooks and software are over priced

exactly, that's why it's a scam.

mysticalmaze · 03-21-2005, 11:46 AM

Hey,

Quote:

exactly, that's why it's a scam.

Huh????

Everything has to have a price. By me saying they were over
priced was my opinion. How does this make it a Scam?

If you were to write and ebook. Spend hours adding all your valuable
experiences, pay for a good design, and then set your price. And had
someone call you a scam, because they felt it wasn't worth the price
you listed it for, how would that make you feel?

If its more than you can afford to spend, then don't buy it. Instead-
go looking for something more affordable or sift through the millions
of searches via Google, and decide for yourself what is valuable information.

There will always be people who don't agree with your price.

Free ebooks are free only because they hope to make backend sales through
the links that bring them back. The author has hopes that you will also pass
his ebook around (viral marketing), and sometimes offer re-branding for a
price $$$. Thats not a Scam either.

Robert

pcarlow · 03-21-2005, 12:18 PM

Whatever, it's a matter of symantics. The guy is a snake oil salesman, granted he's darn good at it, but he's full of so much get rich quick hype it really puts me off. In my opinion charging more for a product than it's worth is a scam. I use the word loosely. Most people would just call it marketing.

imaginemn · 03-21-2005, 12:35 PM

Cory a great salesman. Yes. Marketing Guru. NO. I'll say it again. NO. He does one thing well. Is take basic marketing techniques, put them in a format that most people can understand and SELL, SELL, SELL. Put together a group of GREAT salesmen/women and start selling corey.

I don't know how many "I have 1 mentoring spot available, act quick" emails I get a week. I bought a copy of his "Insider Secrets" to marketing your business on the internet program ($200.00) at half the price due to a "overstock" or "slightly damaged" inventory that was supposed to last 24 hours 4 weeks after the sent the email. Only a few quantities left. It was ok for a beginner. For an expert it was all too basic.

I could have gone to Barnes and Nobles and bough 3/4 books with more valuable information than in this program. It's well written but all written to get people to buy HIS PRODUCTS. It's all about self promotion with corey. He promises if you work hard and join his mentoring program (which by the way costs $10,000.00 to join) you will make millions. If you are so called accepted. Like they are going to turn down $10k via (credit card). The only one making millions is corey.

A scam, don't think so. He offers a product, people buy it and he delivers a product. Is he a guru. NO. Being well known does not mean he is a guru or an expert. It is a very fine line with a bait and switch, when it comes to his mentoring program. They tell you that you will build your business, etc, etc,. What they don't tell you until the very end prior to you making the financial commitment is that you will not be building your business you will be selling corey and his products and you will only make a small percentage of that business. What bites is that you are also in competition with thousands of other affiliates and coery himself. You can buy all his products directly from him.

For 10k, you are better off taking some business management courses at your local college and I will guarantee that you will learn more in those classes than you would using corey's tools or mentoring programs. His programs are hard to work with and very, very limiting and expensive. For every product he sells, I can find a cheaper solution that works 80% better.

Thanks to all who have commented. I am happy to announce that my client has already made back the money he invested and I am no longer liable to meeting my guarantee. He is very happy that he did not join the program because he is too busy fulfilling orders.

I will have to honestly admin that some of it was luck and some was careful planning. Either way, he is a happy client.

imaginemn

Chili · 03-21-2005, 01:05 PM

Your $10K would go infinitely farther with an seoinc or webuildpages type company.. and you would learn more in the process.

imaginemn · 03-21-2005, 01:16 PM

Exactly. I had the client spend $5k on a full page ad in a popular magazine in Minneapolis targetted to his client base and the other $5k was spend on banner ads on related sites. He actually had to hire a phone answering service to keep up with the phone calls

The key is to find the right advertising avenue for your specific target audience. I just got off the phone with him and he told me he had just landed a huge contract that will keep him busy for the rest of the year.

It's so nice to see a client get these types of results based on your recommendations. Ok. I better shut up now. I am starting to sound like a corey type. This isn't about me. It's about my client wanting to use corey or not. I am glad that it's "NOT"!

Thank you for helping me with this difficult decision.

imaginemn