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Old 08-13-2006, 11:29 PM
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Thumbs down Beware of Justin Blake's University of Internet Marketing!

There are snakes all around us. Let me warn you against a new one.

Recently, I paid US$97 subscription for the first month of the “University of Internet Marketing” (also known as Incredible System) program, marketed by JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. (JB is an acronym for Justin Blake). I was under the impression that it would be like Success University, which has a wide range of useful professional and personal development courses. Boy, was I wrong!

First of all, support was atrocious. I couldn’t log into the program after paying, so I sent a support ticket to the system for help. Almost 4 days passed before I got a response. Finally, I got into the system. What I found was a huge disappointment.

Instead of finding useful resources like courses, e-books, seminars, workshops etc. on internet marketing, all I found was a system for recruiting sign-ups into the so-called program. This was the so-called UOIM affiliate program, whereby recruiters (also known as affiliates) would earn a commission for every person recruited. There is no real product involved. The vendor provided information on how to find recruits, and even had supporting ‘materials’ like sample advertisements for recruitment. From what I could tell, it was nothing more than a pyramid scheme.

I confronted the vendor via the support ticket system. When the vendor finally responded, they denied that UOIM was a pyramid scheme. Yet, they couldn’t show me any courses! I demanded my money back. On the UOIM / Incredible System website, a 90-Day Money-Back Guarantee is promised.

Believe it or not, these guys refused to make the refund. Not only that, but they promptly locked me out of the program. I couldn’t log in anymore. Even more audacious, they sent me a message around a week later to taunt me.

Isn’t this a clear case of cheating in every sense of the word? Ever since I started posting on various forums to warn others about the University of Internet Marketing (also known as Incredible System) marketed by JB Virtual Enterprises Inc, I've been getting replies alerting me to threads in various forums complaining about these people.

You can find a couple of fascinating threads at Allan Gardyne's Associate Programs Forum and Lynn Terry’s Self-Starter’s Weekly Tips Forum (under the topic ‘Beware of Justin Blake’), and Anthony Blake’s Forum (under the topic ‘Scam’). Read them and see for yourself why people are calling Justin Blake and Charles Ryder dishonest. There're a lot of interesting comments about their pit bull Diane Sullivan too. Be warned about their affiliates as well - one name which comes up often is Shawn Casey, as he promotes their products aggressively.

Watch out for JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. and their ‘products’. They’re downright dishonest!

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Old 08-13-2006, 11:34 PM
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Never heard of Justin Blake. Thanks for the heads up.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:03 AM
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The web is full of dodgy characters. Often honesty and decency in business dont mix.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:10 AM
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Thanks for the info! I've never heard of Justin Blake myself, but I've mentally marked Justin Blake=bad in my head. I suppose that's enough.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 05:52 AM
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The web is full of dodgy characters. Often honesty and decency in business dont mix.
Yep. That's why I am receiving tons of SPAM emails everyday with sexually explicit stuff like ******, ****** and other crap. That's terrible.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 07:47 AM
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I will definately keep Justin Blake in mind. However, I try to be very careful when signing up for stuff online. For future reference, prior to signing up for a specific company, check for reviews and the sites popularity. That's basically what I do. If no one has ever heard of them/tried their services, I am not going to either!
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 08:59 PM
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The Justin Blake saga is getting even more intriguing. Some people on the Kick Start Your Life Forum say that Justin Blake and Stephan Ducharme are one and the same person. Stephan Ducharme uses the same tactics, i.e. teaches recruits how to recruit more people into the pyramid. There's no actual product. He doesn't give refunds either, and he's ripped off a lot of people.

JB (Justin Blake) Virtual Enterprises Inc. seems to comprise of only Diane Sullivan. If you write to Charles & Justin's supposed e-mail address, "Charles & Justin" <justin@mnwv.com>, only Diane responds, if at all. Write to the support ticket system, and only Diane responds, if you're lucky (she doesn't respond to irate customers, including those who want a refund).

Maybe there's really no Justin Blake and no Charles Ryder. Maybe it's just been Diane Sullivan all along. Then again, maybe 'Diane Sullivan' is a pseudonym for Justin Blake or even Charles Ryder. Maybe all these 3 names are totally fictitious, and there's just one faceless person behind JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. Hmmmm.

This is a lesson to all of us. You don't know who you're dealing with on the internet. If there's no face, recognisable identity, reliable contact details and clear product, RUN!

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Old 08-14-2006, 09:06 PM
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How about posting your experience on this blog: http://www.jackass.biz. I pay for posting. As one of our contributors stated: 'Check it out now and see if you can get paid for a mistake you might have made'.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:06 PM
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Looked into it a bit, and definitely looks shady. Surprised those folks are still in business.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:12 PM
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The name itself sounds shady.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:02 PM
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Jackass, huh? Interesting site. Thanks, Gupta, for introducing us to it. I'd be glad to post my own experience there. Hope it helps to save others from being conned.

Now if only I could put Justin Blake's photo on a voodoo doll ...... But I don't know if he even exists! Sigh....

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Old 08-14-2006, 10:12 PM
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one name which comes up often is Shawn Casey, as he promotes their products aggressively
Shawn Casey? But he rubs elbows with the likes of Perry Marshall and Jeremy Gislason. I thought he was okay.

Then again, Mark Joyner went and threw his lot in with GreenZap, so you never know when someone you htink is smart is gonna do something stupid.

Sorry you got burned, chilli. Any chance you can do a chargeback?
 
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:39 AM
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Did you get your money back??? If you paid with a Credit Card, just call your credit card company and explain the situation... They will take back the money and credit your account. All credit card companies maintain a "Dispute Resolution" department for just such situations.
Don't let this scam artist keep your money!
 
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:12 AM
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Thanks Binky (gorgeous photo, by the way) and OtbHunter. My credit card issuer, VISA, has temporarily refunded the $97 to my card. I've sent them a formal complaint as well as pointed them to forum threads complaning about Justin Blake and company. Apparently, VISA will need a few weeks to investigate. I've asked them to alert other credit card companies to Justin Blake's dishonest practices. Hope they let me keep my $97!

According to the Kick Start Your Life Forum, in one of his other personas, Stephan Ducharme, Justin Blake scammed other people as well. Some respectable internet marketers who promoted his products apparently dug into their own pockets to make their own refunds to victims.

Watch out who you get into bed with, or your reputation could go down the toilet!

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Old 08-15-2006, 11:52 AM
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chilli:

Folks'd be appreciative if you took all your evidence (ie, URLs) and posted them in scam.com if you haven't done so already.

(If you're not already a member there, be careful NOT to use your real name, don't put any identifying URLs in your .sig, don't put your location, and even consider using a proxy server.)

Matter of fact, you oughtta take the post you started this thread with and post that, along with all supporting URLs. In no time flat, anyone searching for "Justin Blake scam" or "University of Internet Marketing scam" will find it at the top of a Google search. You'll be doing a good deed for folks, and who doesn't need extra karma points?
 
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Old 08-16-2006, 04:32 AM
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wow - Muchos Gracias for the heads up dude!!

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Old 08-16-2006, 04:36 AM
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Intelligent discussion forums for adults with their clothes on
Curious signature. How can you be sure thee adults have their clothes on?
 
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Old 08-16-2006, 04:49 AM
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Old 08-16-2006, 05:05 AM
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Thanks Binky. Up until a couple of weeks ago, I had never posted in a forum in my life. Justin Blake got me so mad that I just had to get the word around. Now I'm learning so much.

I like your tagline. The "for adults with their clothes on" bit is a real attention-getter. But what do you do with those who won't cooperate?

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Old 08-16-2006, 10:56 AM
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what do you do with those who won't cooperate?
We only have one member who we know isn't wearing his clothes (he's a nudist); for him, we have a special function called hurlCactus() which usually causes him to at least grab a towel.

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Are we not getting out point across that we're not interested in childish types who shriek at the mention of Justin Timberlake's name, and who aren't looking for porn?
 
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