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Old 04-02-2004, 10:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is there anyone using email marketing? Is there any company sugggested?
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Old 04-02-2004, 01:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I do not use it. Because I don't think spaming would work. I hate spam and I don't think my clients would like it.

I think the only email marketing is your newsletter that send to people who really want to receive it.
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Old 04-02-2004, 02:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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how about opt-in list?
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Old 04-03-2004, 01:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I have never tried it before. But I still don't think that would work. It would really bring you some more hits, but cannot bring you more clients. However, this is my personal opinion, maybe others think in a different way.
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Old 04-03-2004, 08:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Optin email marketing is not limited to the basic newsletter ... I advise building optin sublists, whether in regards to simple updates, individual campaign follow up, an article reception list, email courses, free download sign ups, etc.

As long as the prospect requests it ... the motive behind the mailings is clearly stated, and the recipient can opt out at any time, I recommend building these lists.

Not to mention affiliate and customer contact lists for merchants.

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Is there anyone using email marketing? Is there any company sugggested?
As Mike suggested, permission based email marketing can be profitable.

However, like anything it involves both skill and art. In deciding whether to get involved, you need to decide:

* Whom do you want to target?

* How do you want to bring people to your web page?

(For example banner advertising, which fell out of favor, is now being reconsidered. Of course, some marketers never backed away from banner ads.)

* Develop an action plan and then implement this plan. (Understanding a plan is subject to change and modification.)

* As Mike mentions, list segregation is useful in honing the quality of your mailings.

* There are a number of useful resources on the market which can guide you through the process of properly developing and marketing to a mailing list.

(For information on the email marketing rules, people may find this article of value. From there, you will find references to a series of related articles.)

Trusting these comments are of assistance.

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I hate spam and I don't think my clients would like it.

I think the only email marketing is your newsletter that send to people who really want to receive it.
Couldn't agree with you more - I detest spamming methods...

I have had over spam 300 emails this week alone from spamming companies to my dance music forum email address, dries my crazy!

Also, When your company/business is sending out over 6000+ newsletters to those that want to recieve it like I do for my Dance Mixes forum - then, thats when you have to think about how your going to turn those that are recieving your newslatter into paying customers!




utilizing your opportunities is the key - IMO!
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I tend to agree with most of the group here. So many people are getting so much spam that I think the only people making money are the companies that are sending the spam.

The problem you can potentially run into "if you send the emails yourself" is that you run the risk of getting your ip listed with some type of spam cop service or filtering service.

I personally ran into this issue with a previous company I worked for. They had a client list and they had an opt-in mailing list. Because all the email was sent from our servers and many of the members were using some of the top ISP's that our IP ended up being blocked through either automated systems or manually bocked by system admins. All they saw was the same email going to multiple people coming through their servers. All I can say is be carefull when sending any type of blast mail and Good Luck.

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What ever it is, I am going to sell 1 million + email list from all type of clients arond the world. Anybody wanna buy ??
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Uhhhh, yeah ..

I'm selling this old thing ...



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I would come up with your ezine where subscribers can opt-in because they want to be part of what you have offer. Its the best way to get subscribers to trust you. The key to the game is to build relationships with your subscribers and future customers.

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What ever it is, I am going to sell 1 million + email list from all type of clients arond the world. Anybody wanna buy ??
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I'm selling this old thing ...



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Never! Pure spam!
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I use email marketing to pormote my products and i also develop a email marketing tool called K-ML. Give it a look and give me your comments ;-)
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I'm in agreement with most here - I'd never use email marketing as it IS spam so it's best to keep clear of it. Clients and internet users are completely overrun with spam so you'd probably do more damage than it's worth.

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I'm in agreement with most here - I'd never use email marketing as it IS spam so it's best to keep clear of it. Clients and internet users are completely overrun with spam so you'd probably do more damage than it's worth.

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Karen,

Let me begin by saying I took a quick peek at your web site and compliment you on what you have achieved.

That being said, I have to take issue with the statement:

"I'd never use email marketing as it is spam so it's best to keep clear of it."

Why? Not on the question of what is spam, because unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your perspective:

"what is one person's spam can be another person's email message she desparately wants to receive."

Rather from the perspective, a business person can legitimately market through the use of email, but only if it is done responsibly.

What do I mean by this statement?

* First, in marketing via email, legitimate marketing does not mean and should never be confused with sending unsolicited non-fraudulent bulk email.

* Rather, the underpining for my statement are the concepts found and the suggested approach in the following document:

How to Advertise Responsibly Using E-Mail

I do appreciate that the volumes of unsolicited bulk email has reached a level were the underpinnings of the Internet as a communication medium are in jeapordy.

At the same time, to suggest "affirmative consent commercial email" sent in bulk is spam, meaning it is an abuse of another's property interest misses the point.

For the purpose of this post, "affirmative consent commercial email" means that the recipient gave prior consent to the sending of the direct marketing message, with conspicuous notice given at the time the recipient gave consent concerning the nature of the content that would be delivered.

By following this path, you are marketing responsibly on the Internet and this is legitimate method of generating business.

In today's online enviroment with the volumes of unsolicted bulk email (ube) there are issues surrounding the ability to get your message delivered, given the methods being used by ISP's to block and filter email messages. Also, the volume of "affirmative consent commercial email" or "solicited commercial email" for short has gone up significantly, meaning there is fierce competition among e-mailers for the consumer's attention.

Yet, studies consistently show the use of "affirmative consent commercial email" does remain a viable method of marketing and therefore should not be discounted out of hand.

Having said this, if one were to be confronted with,

"I can only follow one method of promoting my site, which should I follow?"

I would have to agree, again from all of the studies and data, search engine marketing is cleaner and many would argue more lucrative. But, the competition for position in some segments is fierce.

However, since a balanced approach is better, then I would suggest not including email marketing, in your marketing arsenal, providing it is done responsibly, is to put it in the vernacular "leaving money on the table."

At the same time people should not forget "direct marketing mail."

Trusting this helps in seeing the other side of the coin.

Kind regards,

John

P.S. Of course, if we are going to say, all email marketing per se is spam, irrespective of whether you have "affirmative consent" then you and I will part company. My challenge then becomes to show me how sending "affirmative consent commercial email" is spam, if one is to accept the for example the SpamHaus definition of spam.

As an aside, I put forward the verficiation standard set out in How to Advertise Responsibly Using E-Mail is a fair starting point, although the standard may have shifted to a slightly higher level, requiring subscriber confirmed consent, as opposed to publisher confirmed consent.

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Hi John

What I was meaning is if the person who made the initial post was referring to "purchasing" a bulk email list that gets sent to all of us probably each day, those can't be guarenteed to be "consent" given email addresses. To me, I'd never risk purchasing a package like that as you never know where the addresses came from. I made the assumption that the poster meant that kind of email advertising i.e. purchasing one of the various email lists that are on offer (2 million email address for $49.00 - that kind of thing).

I'd hate for them to loose their site because of purchasing something like that.

This is just a quite note as I'm in the middle of preparing dinner

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