Popups that can be used with other popups...

[hajamie]

Hi, do you know of any popup provider people which allow their popups to be on sites with other popups? like popup traffic.com but that do allow this(popup traffic doesn't).

[samer]

not trying to offense you here, but the popups aren't working anymore, 4 of 5 internet users have Popup Blockers ...

[hajamie]

Really?! Thats quite amazing....

What do you suggest? Banners, adsense or is their some other way of earning revenue from your site?

[cltwebs]

I suggest Adsense...

[greg]

find some other means of text ads than adsense.


i certainly think text ads are the way to go now, banners are starting to lose their appeal due to these stupid ones that yell at you and make me want to hunt the people on it down and kill them.

Text ads are much more pleasant and honestly experience a higher ctr.

popups are a no no in advertising, they are just a waste of your money.

[wbstein]

i got a couple of $35 adsense credits leftover

[JohnG]

Greg,

I realize what I am about to post is completely off topic, so if the moderator delete's it, or moves it to another forum understood.

In reading your post and checking out your links, I got the picture about CommonAmerica.

Okay, what it is my point. The other day, in the Chat and Rave section over at crea8siteforum.com, one of the mods pointed out the following site:

http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/

When you check out the website for whitehouse.gov you will get a rather interesting result.

Okay, returning to the topic at hand.

Hajamie

From my research paying for pop ups to generate traffic apparently has gone the same way as the dodo bird.

I am not an expert on this topic, but given the general consumer outrage, I would say this makes sense.

And getting involved with a firm like ... the one which causes a pop up ad to appear on a person's browser when visiting certain sites ... given the big fuss about spyware, ongoing litigation, legislation in Utah, etc., etc. ... even your spiritual advisor would say pass.

However, some firms are now promoting "pop-in" or "drop-in" advertising to generate traffic as the newest and best method since sliced bread.

(This method has be "on the go" since last fall, at least.)

Personally, I can't vouch for it and how the consumer will view a "drop-in" ad given the general scream being heard from consumers concerning over zealous advertising techniques is an open question.

If people are interested, one group which is pushing this is Sam Robbins and Co over at Adminder.com.

My problem with it? Unless done extremely tastefully, in concept I see no difference between pop ups and drop-ins.

When the consumer is confronted with a huge drop-in ad unrelated to the content of the web site being visited, IMHO he or she is going to have about the same excitement as stepping into a pile of ... but hey, stats don't lie.

I am sure the folks at Adminder.com will gladly take you through all the ins and outs.

Back up for just one second.

The drop-in advert is part of the "skin" for the site, as opposed to opening a new window in your browser, which happens with a pop up or pop under ad. If carried out tastefully, this makes it less intrusive to the visitor and this approach steps around the software which blocks pop up adverts.

This is the main reason why advertisers are seeing better results with this approach.

But I reiterate the comment of other posters.

Many consumers now view pop up advertising as another form of "spam" or abusive marketing practice, at least when the advert is totally unrelated to the site content, which I gather is what you are contemplating.

From studies I have read, when it is a tasteful pop up or drop-in ad for a product or service you market on your own site, the visitor will not be as easily offended. But, don't bombard the visitor. Make sure the ad is tastefully done and set it up, so the advert only appears once during the visit or a return visit within a specified period of time.

Interesting though. Visit the sites of many marketers and you will no longer find pop up or drop in adverts at all.

Well there you have it.

Kind regards,

John Glube
Toronto, Canada

[bcyber]

Originally Posted by samer

not trying to offense you here, but the popups aren't working anymore, 4 of 5 internet users have Popup Blockers ...

Popups still work.

[samer]

are you sure ?
well, they work for like 1/10 users

[clasione]

Don't bother with pop ups..... Not only to they no really work anymore but, Google can now read AND comprehend javascript.....

Which means - Unless they want an index full of websites with pop ups, there assigning less weight to sites with pop ups.

[JohnG]

Originally Posted by clasione

Don't bother with pop ups..... Not only to they no really work anymore but, Google can now read AND comprehend javascript.....

Which means - Unless they want an index full of websites with pop ups, there assigning less weight to sites with pop ups.

Clasione,

I am not a fan of pop-ups, but let me put the other side of the coin.

Search Engine Marketing to bring targeted visitors to your site is one way of satisfying the holy grail.

At the same time, many marketers can't be bothered to continually chase the elusive top ten listing, especially in highly competitive niches.

Let's back up for a second and ask ourselves, what is the most effective form of advertising/marketing?

When a friend tells a friend, "you should go."

The next best way, when I decide to go looking for myself and find the information I am looking for.

But what about email marketing? No, I am not talking about harvesting email addresses, sending out unsolicited bulk email, or bomarding people with solicited offer ad nauseaum. That is taboo.

I build a mailing list through legitimate means (the methods and approaches being a separate discussion.)

Now, I want to market a particular product. On my SEO page, I set up an advertorial with a link over to my sales page.

At the same time the sales page under a different domain is set up as a direct marketing sales letter.

The objective? To bring as many visitors to the sales page and convert these visitors into buyers, or at worst set up a follow up mechanism.

In this case, the pop up or drop in to subscribe to the newsletter on arrival and the pop under or drop under with the do or die offer on departure.

To repeat. The main site is set up for search engine optimization. Clean.

The sales letter is set up to capitalize on the traffic I can send from my SEO site and from the traffic I can bring through my email marketing campaign. Does not a pop up or under have merit on the sales page.

Or is someone going to say, hey your just talking about doorway pages and cluttering up the directories with useless stuff.

Just a thought from the other side of the fence.

Kind regards,

John Glube
Toronto, Canada

[clasione]

You seem to be set rather well --
From what I understand you have a main site SEO'd and then capture your audience through an email marketing program spawn of the main site which inturn directs traffic to your sales letter site where the pop is held.... There wouldn't be a problem with that... If that's what your doing it should work well - just SEO the main site - then with the emails you generate - you won't have to worry about seo on the other site.

I am not saying that all Pop ups or pop unders are bad either.... Some pop ups are actually a value to a site because they spawn a new window with more details and/or information... I'm just not sure if "G" can tell the value of the pop up....

[JohnG]

Clasione,

I appreciate your taking the time to review and provide feedback.

Thanks,

John

John Glube
Toronto, Canada

[maxim]

Just read this discussion,

I would like to see proof that '4 in 5 internet users use pop up blockers' please, as i think this is simply rubbish.

this is not in anyway testament to wether or no i think pop ups are effective,

I actually think that as a means to quickly display relevant information to users they work (in regards to keeping users informed), although a random or even targeted advert is not only classless but entirely inaffective in my opinion/experience.

max.

[hajamie]

Everything I have read seems to say that adsense is the way to go, mainly because the ads are tartgeted. Targeted popups or popins, etc would be good... Won't there be pop in blockers soon, or this feature be added to current popup blockers?

[clasione]

I definetly see that getting intergrated soon...