kill michael moore - Page 5

ferret77 · 07-07-2004, 04:44 PM

Dude i read that article if you really read it says little to nothing about the facts in the movie

hes says that what moores suggests are conflicting and it attacks him personally but it does not say an specfic part of the movie is a lie

please post the actually lie

sem4u · 07-08-2004, 12:13 AM

Well I saw the movie last night. The cinema was sold out and people clapped at the end. I thought it was excellent. I was going to do a summary but ferret has beaten me to it

DmgInc · 07-08-2004, 06:56 PM

Rivux: You said IMR is drawing in the reject croud, or existing members were making new accounts to express their opinions, you were implying that all those who had joined just to discuss this topic were rejects, which is an accusation...

ferret77 · 07-09-2004, 08:15 AM

yup he called you reject

are you going to take that from him

DmgInc · 07-09-2004, 04:45 PM

Atom · 07-10-2004, 08:18 PM

What is "white mush" .. and what is "gatt"?

Just curious.

thing2b · 07-11-2004, 08:43 PM

I think michael moore is great.

I can not say if the facts are true or not, but it does do one thing.
His movies get people questioning and even if the facts were not all true, the underlining message is put into the public arena for discussion.

Smokin · 07-11-2004, 08:44 PM

I think demi moore is better

Spiral · 07-11-2004, 08:49 PM

I like how Michael Moore criticizes the Bush administration for using lies and deception to further their case, and then does the exact same thing in his movies.

He's fighting on the right side, but doing it in a horrible way. I'm rather left wing and even I don't like the guy.

bytech · 07-12-2004, 01:15 AM

"Our country is in a war against an enemy who would destroy our way of life, our culture and kill our people," Fridley wrote. "These barbarians have shown through (the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001) and the recent beheadings that they will stop at nothing. I believe this film emboldens them and divides our country even more."

Hahaha... what an idiot. Just where is there a connection between 911 and Iraq? Saudies where the ones behind this, everyone knows that. Of course onf of the many deceptions of Bush is fabricating a link between Iraq and 911 as that was pretty much the only way to get the war started... a war Bush wanted to started before 911.

Atom · 07-12-2004, 01:30 AM

Who's Fridley?

bytech · 07-12-2004, 01:43 AM

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can please list some so I can see if you any clue what you are talking about

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

imaginemn

Guess you didn't read the comments the article received? Two thumbs down by a land slide on account of obnoxious language and twisted mentality. Who writes like this these days? Does Chris (the author) really think he is impressing us with his ability to use a thesaurus?

John Scott · 07-12-2004, 01:55 AM

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can please list some so I can see if you any clue what you are talking about

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

imaginemn

Guess you didn't read the comments the article received? Two thumbs down by a land slide on account of obnoxious language and twisted mentality. Who writes like this these days?

You do. I think two posts ago you just said "Haha! What an idiot!", which is by no means the epitome of skillful debate.

John Scott · 07-12-2004, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bytech

"Our country is in a war against an enemy who would destroy our way of life, our culture and kill our people," Fridley wrote. "These barbarians have shown through (the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001) and the recent beheadings that they will stop at nothing. I believe this film emboldens them and divides our country even more."

Hahaha... what an idiot. Just where is there a connection between 911 and Iraq? Saudies where the ones behind this, everyone knows that. Of course onf of the many deceptions of Bush is fabricating a link between Iraq and 911 as that was pretty much the only way to get the war started... a war Bush wanted to started before 911.

Recent beheadings were done by the same people who killed thousands of innocent civilians on Sept 11th - Muslim Fundamentalists. It's not a national thing. No Gov't were involved in the September 11 attacks. Not Iraq. Not Saudi Arabia. It was done by Muslim Fundamentalists regardless of nationality.

The war in Iraq is not a war on the Iraqi people. It is, and always has been, a war to liberate Iraq from the enemy.

The unspoken truth is that these people are barbarians with no respect for human life. They are the enemy of every civilized person who respects life and liberty and all those principles we hold dear.

When Iraqi children die in this war, civilized mankind mourns. We sincerely mourn the loss of life. But when American children died in the Sept 11 attacks, Muslim Fundamentalists danced and rejoiced in the streets.

When we disagree with what others do, we do not take journalists captive and saw their heads off. But that's what these Muslim Fundamentalists do, and are praised by their peers for doing.

You know, bytech, I'm don't like Bush that much either, but I'm not going to oppose democracy and lend support to a murdering tyrant just to spite Bush. Somewhat counterproductive, don't you think? You make it appear as if Bush is the supporter of human life and the Left believe in letting murderers continue about murdering.

Atom · 07-12-2004, 04:19 AM

I haven't seen Moore's movies, but from everything I've read about Michael Moore and his movies, I can honestly say that I am left with an impression that he is a rather slimey sort of character. I am not saying that he is a slimey character, I am saying that this is the general impression I get, having read several articles and comments about him and his movies. This, in and of itself, is not a "good thing", to me.

Buskerdoo · 07-12-2004, 04:21 AM

You go John.

ferret77 · 07-12-2004, 05:06 AM

Most of those people who are cutting of heads arn't even form Iraqi

they have shipped in by Iran and syria , or have migrated from wherever they where for a chance to fight us

if we were not in iraqi right now they would be there either

saddam , used to execute fundementalists becasue they threatened his power

Caped Crusader · 07-12-2004, 07:17 AM

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Recent beheadings were done by the same people who killed thousands of innocent civilians on Sept 11th - Muslim Fundamentalists.

And the more bombs we drop on their friends, relatives, children, and fellow Muslims, the more extremists we will create. These people have gone to Iraq to repel an invading force. They weren't there before we got there.

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The war in Iraq is not a war on the Iraqi people. It is, and always has been, a war to liberate Iraq from the enemy.

It only became about liberation when the WMD story wasn't getting the job done in the polls. This war was about dangerous weapons, and our safety. There were organized resistance groups that wanted to overthrow Saddam's government, and now they're fighting against us. We officially put another Baathist in charge just last month. I don't call that liberation, just as I don't call handing Kuwait back to its original dictator in 1991 liberation. "Liberation" is a buzz word that gets flags waving. If we were going to liberate someone, what about Tibet? Why do we only liberate people that happen to live around the world's largest sources of fossil fuels?

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The unspoken truth is that these people are barbarians with no respect for human life. They are the enemy of every civilized person who respects life and liberty and all those principles we hold dear.

The same could be said about the fundamentalists in our own government. I don't see a significant difference in beheading someone and dropping a cluster bomb in a neighborhood. I think both actions are detestable, as I abhor the senseless killing of any innocent people.

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...I'm not going to oppose democracy and lend support to a murdering tyrant just to spite Bush.

If Iraq had a truly democratic vote tomorrow, a fundamentalist Shia government would be erected. It would be similar to the government in Iran, but we're not going to allow that to happen. A pro-America puppet government will be put in place, just as we have done in Afghanistan. We haven't established a moderately successful "democracy" since Germany and Japan, and that was in a time when we could hardly call ourselves a democracy.

I don't know anyone in the States that opposed the war and supported Saddam Hussein. In fact, many of the older protestors demonstrated against the Reagan administration's support of Hussein in the 1980's. Regime change was a great idea, but regime change should come from within, with support from free society. You cannot force democracy on people. Unless you're ready to kick in the door of every dictator in the world, which is clearly not the position of the Bush administration, you're going to have a very difficult time convincing me that this war had anything to do with liberation or democracy, especially when the leader of the interim government is a former CIA-sponsored Baathist terrorist.

I agree that fundamentalism is the problem, but that can be said of all sides. I'm an adamant supporter of the establishment of secular, democratic governments throughout the world, not just in the Middle East. I don't like the idea of religious fanatics dictating laws that govern the rest of us, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jewish. If we're going to leave despots and tyrants in charge of other nations, like Saudi Arabia, for example, then I don't know how we can justify this war based on the liberation of the Iraqi people. In Baghdad, women were allowed to vote, drive, serve as police officers, doctors, lawyers, and judges. When are we going to liberate Saudi Arabia, where women have none of these freedoms, where it is illegal for them to leave their homes without being covered from head to toe, and where beheading is the most common form of state executions? Saddam was a cruel dictator, to be sure, and the world will be a better place when he's gone. But with the lies that were told to garner support for the invasion, liberation is not a reason; it's an excuse.

I agree with what you said about skillful debate. Personal insults, in my opinion, reflect poorly on the author, not on the target.

SVB · 07-12-2004, 07:22 AM

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The war in Iraq is not a war on the Iraqi people. It is, and always has been, a war to liberate Iraq from the enemy.

No it wasnt. It was nothing to do with that. It was to do with imaginary weapons of mass destruction. Like the recent statement says, if America knew how flawed the CIA's report was, they wouldnt have gone to Iraq.

ferret77 · 07-12-2004, 08:22 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/09/po...rint&position=

the guy we installing (for better or worse) has been involved with terrorist attacks on civilians himself

actually when small groups of people kill people who we don't appove off we call the freedom fighters, but if they attack us or someone we like they are terrorists