Presidential debate - Page 11

Atom · 10-09-2004, 09:06 PM

I'd like to discuss atheism at this point.

littleFella · 10-09-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Sperm does not qualify as a human being because it does not own its own DNA. An egg does not qualify as a human being for the same reasons.

I admit that I don't understand that. What do you men by "its own DNA". Is it about the haploid vs diploid?

littleFella · 10-09-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Atom

I'd like to discuss atheism at this point.

There isn't much to discuss about atheism. Instead you need to present undisputable proofs.

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 09:10 PM

Ok TGR that was a little better. I am hitting the hay see yall tommorrow.

**John Scott** · 10-09-2004, 09:11 PM

You know, it's an interesting way Americans debate abortion. In America, the pro-abortionists use two main arguments:

1. The anti-abortionists are religious, so it's a personal choice.

2. A baby insn't human until the moment it is born, so it's ok to kill it.

In other countries, like Japan, the debate is more honest. The pro-abortionists admit the obvious (that it is murder) but make strong arguments for allowing citizens to kill their unborn off-spring. Essentially "saying, yes it's murder but if we don't allow it society will be ruined by the birth of millions of unwanted children."

Atom · 10-09-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by littleFella

There isn't much to discuss about atheism. Instead you need to present undisputable proofs.

Um... I do?

No I don't!

Fusion · 10-09-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Atom

I'd like to discuss atheism at this point.

I have often heard from many believers that even Satan has a presence in the church, which is why even in church people can still have impure thoughts. If Satan can find his way in the church, how do Christians know that Satan didn't find his way into the Bible and twist the whole book?

Atom · 10-09-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

Ok TGR that was a little better. I am hitting the hay see yall tommorrow.

You're not going anywhere mister ..... you get the hell back here!

Atom · 10-09-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fusion

I have often heard from many believers that even Satan has a presence in the church, which is why even in church people can still have impure thoughts. If Satan can find his way in the church, how do Christians know that Satan didn't find his way into the Bible and twist the whole book?

They don't. But faith isn't about 'knowing' in human terms.

Fusion · 10-09-2004, 09:27 PM

Whats that book for then?

awall19 · 10-09-2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

Oh wow awall I cant beleive you auctully beleive something we agrea on?

I was being a smart ass

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Why punish people for having sex?

because having sex with random people or people you do not intend to spend your life with breaks down / is contrary to the stern father worldview that drives most right wing pro-life nutballs. single parent families (just like gay marriage) do not follow the way "god intended family life to be"

many different concepts that are evil are evil for different surface level reasons, but when you get to the core concept its all about pushing the stern father worldview...it is the same reason welfare is considered evil...

welfare (in a perspective other than my own) rewards people for being lazy and stops them from reaching their full potential.

tax cuts are great because they kill off social problems AND reward the rich for playing per the rules or whatever.

debts are great because that means they kill off social programs <--- a new "conservative" concept

you need to look at the fundamental reasons behind the opinions to understand them.

was any person promoting the prohibition of abortion in this thread hated and nearly psychologically destroyed by one of their parents who had a kid they did not want to have?

littleFella · 10-09-2004, 09:33 PM

The book tells you what you should believe.

I happen to be working on a Church website right now. There have been some delays in delivery of materials I requested from the congregation. In an email to me a person stated that "the Holy Spirit moves slow sometimes".

I hope that the Holy Spirit is not the the one who will be signing the check for me.

Atom · 10-09-2004, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fusion

Whats that book for then?

I'm not sure, but I believe it's a warning to all.

That warning to me is:

#1 God is an actual entity that created everything and really exists.

#2 The devil is also an actual entity that really exists.

Hard to believe, isn't it?

awall19 · 10-09-2004, 09:38 PM

question for the extreme abortion is evil fundamentalists in the crowd...

lets say a girl joins the military and gets raped by some person in the country she is stationed in. can she have an abortion or do we tell her the hell with herself and make her birth the child of a father that she probably will hate for the rest of her life.

do we make her remember that scarred night every time she brings her kind to school in the morning or tucks her into bed at night?

Brian · 10-09-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by littleFella

The book tells you what you should believe.

I happen to be working on a Church website right now. There have been some delays in delivery of materials I requested from the congregation. In an email to me a person stated that "the Holy Spirit moves slow sometimes".

I hope that the Holy Spirit is not the the one who will be signing the check for me.

Ha.. that's how I'm feeling. I'm designing the church website and youth group website right now. All I can say is, "this is a lot of content."

But if it pays - it pays.

littleFella · 10-09-2004, 09:51 PM

Oh yeah, they are not starving.
The one I'm doing some work for is very small, and yet their weekly schedule is packed. Lots of activities, little publications etc. They reach out to their youth, organize a lot of various activities and such . I admire that.

Atom · 10-09-2004, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by awall19

question for the extreme abortion is evil fundamentalists in the crowd...

lets say a girl joins the military and gets raped by some person in the country she is stationed in. can she have an abortion or do we tell her the hell with herself and make her birth the child of a father that she probably will hate for the rest of her life.

do we make her remember that scarred night every time she brings her kind to school in the morning or tucks her into bed at night?

Let her decide.

The problem is with people, not truly believing that God has the power to punish or forgive anyone.

**John Scott** · 10-09-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by awall19

question for the extreme abortion is evil fundamentalists in the crowd...

lets say a girl joins the military and gets raped by some person in the country she is stationed in. can she have an abortion or do we tell her the hell with herself and make her birth the child of a father that she probably will hate for the rest of her life.

do we make her remember that scarred night every time she brings her kind to school in the morning or tucks her into bed at night?

She's free to do whatever she wants, as long as she it doesn't involve killing another human being.

According to a former head of the Harvard School of Medicine, rape very rarely leads to pregnancy. The trauma of it greatly impedes pregnancy; and if a rape kit is administered within the first 48 hours after rape, the chances of pregnancy are reduced to less than 1%.