Presidential debate

[TGR]

Guys, guys, guys! The president was tired.

Didn't you know that his bedtime is 9:30? You all know how kids get cranky when they're up past their bedtime. Well the same is obviously true for Geroge W. Bush.

I bet Dick Cheney told him he could have some ice cream before bed if he did a really good job at the debate.

Seriously though, I'm up every night 'till 1-2 AM working. And our president can't make it past 10:00? -Kind of scary!

[ferret77]

"Is there anything positive you can say about President Bush or his administration?"

umm not too much,

with fox news so many people would believe the presidents hype

"As for the war being with Bin Laden and not Iraq, I was really surprised to hear Kerry say that during a debate, another place Bush should have (but again didn't) taken him to task. That shows a very thin understanding on the war against terrorism."

I think you might not have very thin understanding on the war against terrorism

the 9/11 commission found no link , let me repeat that NO LINK between bin ladin and saddam

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/

just because they are brown, violent and live in middle east doesn't make them related

Timmy McVeigh and john gotti are both white, violent and live in the usa doesn't make them partners

oh yeah did I mention the Iraqi didn't turn out to have any weapons of mass destruction, or did fox news forget to air that

" So he's saying unless we can get others to support the war, then it's the wrong thing to do."

yeah pretty much unless there is a clear threat to us , which there wasn't

you should probably have allies , the fact that not many people where signing on should have been a sign that maybe this war wasn't such a good idea

I wonder if the thousand families who lost someone in the war think it was good idea

I wonder if bushes daughters will be signing up to help in their daddies war

[evilregis]

Originally Posted by docquesting

And so far as drilling goes we wouldnt be having high gas prices if they could drill there. Ya i no war in Iraq but auctully Iraq is producing more than it has been ever even with terroist. Doa reasearch on Bush invironmental plan not just from democratic side you may be suprised.

You can't be serious? You are FOR drilling for oil in national parks to reduce the price of oil? And dude, I've done research on Bush and his environmental plan. Apparently you have not.

Originally Posted by docquesting

Always remember too that the media hates conservative Presidents and will do anything to make them look bad.

All I ask for is common sense. Did you have a TV or pick up a newspaper when Clinton was president? The media raked him over the coals for a goddamn blowjob. Forget about the fact that he had created one of the strongest economies the US has ever seen. Economic growth averaging 4.0% per year. 116 consecutive months of economic growth, most in history. More than 22.5 million jobs created in less than 8 years, the most jobs ever created by a single administration. Median family income up $6K. Unemployment lowest in 30 years. Inflation lowest since Kennedy administration. Highest home ownership rate on record. 7 million fewer Americans living in poverty, a decline of 15%, the largest drop in 30 years.

And what did the media give you? That he got a hummer from an intern, and then went on to be impeached.

Yeah, there's a definite bias.

[docquesting]

Auctully clinton signed over the national parks to the Un so why not steal the oil from them. Also about Iraq nooot having weapons of mass destruction go ask the Kurds. Where did those chemicals go to huh? So your wrong on both counts Clinton had no right to sign them over.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/offlimits.html

If Kerry were to win, he will get credit for the Jobs this admistration is creating.

[chane]

One totally irrelevant thing that impresses me about Bush is how fast he runs the mile.

And he does it every morning at like 6:00am. Does anyone know how fast he can run a mile in?

Find out. Then see how fast you can do it. I bet he runs twice as fast as most of you.

[evilregis]

Originally Posted by docquesting

Auctully clinton signed over the national parks to the Un so why not steal the oil from them.

Dude, coming from the guy who told me to do my research, here exactly is what went on with your national park systems courtesty of publiclands.org:

"Biosphere Reserve" is an international designation for protected, natural environments where conservation is combined with the sustained economic use of natural resources. Each biosphere reserve represents a specific ecosystem and a place where government policy makers, scientists, and local people cooperate to manage land and water resources to meet human needs while conserving natural resources. In the United States, the designation of sites is voluntary.

Several years ago a number of people had the impression that the federal government was giving the United Nations sovereignty over lands in the United States, particularly in the national park system. What precipitated this impression was the appearance of informational signs (like the ones you mention) in some national parks, signs which identified these areas as world heritage sites or biosphere reserves. Since both of these designations are conferred by the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)it was mistakenly believed that the United Nations have "taken over" these lands.

Neither "biosphere preserve" nor "world heritage site" designations place US public lands in any kind of a United Nations land use program. Nor do these designations create United Nations reserves in the United States. America`s public lands still belong to the people of the United States.

That URL you pasted looks like a real professional well respected source. Some hick with FrontPage and some clip art.

Originally Posted by docquesting

Also about Iraq nooot having weapons of mass destruction go ask the Kurds. Where did those chemicals go to huh? So your wrong on both counts Clinton had no right to sign them over.

You tell me where they went. You've been there over a year and yet nothing. Your own gov't has conceded there are none, so for you to be sitting there asking me where there at seems a bit pointless. So that would make me wrong on neither account, and you wrong on two.

Originally Posted by docquesting

If Kerry were to win, he will get credit for the Jobs this admistration is creating.

*sigh* Docquesting, docquesting, docquesting. Research, my friend. Here's another quote for you, this time from laborresearch.org:

In "Labor Market Left Behind," senior economist Jared Bernstein and EPI President Lawrence Mishel give Bush and his team the dubious honor of presiding over the lousiest recovery, in terms of employment growth, since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking employment in 1939.

Bush’s first and perhaps last term in office will end with a net job loss, likely in the millions, making him the only commander-in-chief since Depression-era President Herbert Hoover to earn such a distinction.

So Kerry wil be forced, much like Clinton, to create jobs because Bush was unable.

[TGR]

I can run a mile in about six (maybe 6.5) minutes.

Can I be President?

[docquesting]

Well Evil I could say that your reasearch is biased but that probably would not be a good thing to say. Although I will say you take the time to do more than I do lol. I may do more detailed research later from extra reliable sources.

[evilregis]

Originally Posted by southnow

As for the war being with Bin Laden and not Iraq, I was really surprised to hear Kerry say that during a debate, another place Bush should have (but again didn't) taken him to task.

I'm just curious if you could expound upon that. It sounds like you are saying that the war shouldn't be with bin Laden and that Iraq was the right war.

[chane]

Originally Posted by TGR

I can run a mile in about six (maybe 6.5) minutes.

Can I be President?

You can still be president (of your local girl scouts).

But, you are not as fast as our 58 year old president George W.

[TGR]

The whole thing that troubles me is how important John Kerry says bin Laden is to the "War on Terror".

Most experts say that Al-Qaeda wouldn't miss him if he were killed or captured (hopefully TORTURED).

By Kerry doing this, it misleads people and opens himself up to defeat if Osama bin Hiden is captured before November.

[TGR]

You can still be president (of your local girl scouts)

Tell Atom. He might be interested.

[hatchet]

Originally Posted by evilregis

So Kerry has his wife's corporation to worry about. Funny how the talk of corporate influence you mentioned doesn't mention Cheny/Halliburton.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=261 <- From your own source I might add.

[hatchet]

I'll say again - I think all politicians (at least federal side) are pretty much all liars. During presidential races they are saying whatever they can to make the other candidate look bad and themselves look good. I pointed out several items that I had issues with. I'm not using those few issues to set my mind - although in the grand scheme I'll be voting for Bush. Guess what the main reason is? Not big business or jobs.. because he's not afraid to step on peoples toes/backs/heads to get something done. Yes he'll still be influenced by corporations and lobbyists etc.. and so will Kerry and life will go on. Just my - now where is the ignore button on this topic?

[evilregis]

Originally Posted by hatchet

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=261 <- From your own source I might add.

I'm aware of that. I wasn't saying that Cheney is still receiving remuneration for anything, but what I am saying is that he and Bush sure could get a lot in the way of campaign donations back from all of the profits that Halliburton made with their no-bid contracts.

Bottom line is there are certainly examples where Bush is in bed with big business just the same that someone could say that Kerry is. I apologize for the lack of clarity.

I should have been more clear. Thanks for checking the link. I checked it a few minutes ago and saw that and knew that someone was going to burn me on that one. I'll be more specific in the future.

[docquesting]

hmm you do a good job overall evil even if you are on the opposite side and thats saying a lot coming from me lol.

[evilregis]

Thanks doc. I try. I've said it before, I cannot stand ignorance. And I only speak on something if I am very sure of what I am speaking of. But I am not so hubristic to think that I know everything, and I welcome facts that challenge anything I say. I do read, I do try to double check things I read in the paper or hear on TV, but sometimes those double checked facts can still be wrong.

I would rather someone who disagrees with me check what I say. If I'm right, they learn something new. If I'm wrong, I hope they point it out and back it up and I learn something. But spouting talking points and rhetoric doesn't teach anybody anything.

[docquesting]

Exactly and thats why I can put up with someone like you better than some of these others on here. They just say off the wall things they have got from main stream media which we both know lies about everything.