Presidential debate

[evilregis]

Yes. I did read it. Top to bottom. Did you? Did you even finish the paragraph you quoted and bolded the We don't know.?

MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection.

MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

then there was:

MR. RUSSERT: We could establish a direct link between the hijackers of September 11 and Saudi Arabia.

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We know that many of the attackers were Saudi. There was also an Egyptian in the bunch. It doesn’t mean those governments had anything to do with that attack. That’s a different proposition than saying the Iraqi government and the Iraqi intelligent service has a relationship with al-Qaeda that developed throughout the decade of the ’90s. That was clearly official policy.

and then:

MR. RUSSERT: Can we keep 150,000 troops beyond next spring without, in effect, breaking the Army?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: ... If we’re successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it’s not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it’s not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.

And one sentence that says "We don't know" negates all of the above? I'm puzzled.

[hatchet]

The way I read it:
Cheney says there is a relationship between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Not that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. He does bring up the relationship again to Iraq as a geographical base of training for terrorists.. and that geographical base of training as being responsible for 9/11. Not necessarily that Iraq was directly responsible for it but indirectly through prior training of terrorists.

[John Scott]

I think the polical process has really become a mess. The level of the debate is childish. Both sides need to stop knit picking and trying to score pettiness points, and address the real issues.

[Proxy_WhirlWind]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

I think the polical process has really become a mess. The level of the debate is childish. Both sides need to stop knit picking and trying to score pettiness points, and address the real issues.

WELL SAID!

[ferret77]

just curious john but what issues are more pressing then the handling of Iraqi?

High unemployment , deficit spending, repeal of environmental regulations

or perhaps one of bushes favorite issues if homos should be able to marry (no offense guys)

Anyone who can say honestly that bush administration didn't infer and press the idea that somehow saddam and al queda , where together

is delusional, either that or you just started paying attention last week

Its weird the blind devotion there is to bush. I mean if someone said that kerrys has no charisma , and looks like he should have a bolt in his neck, I would agree. I don't even like him, or really edwards. I probably agree more with progressive republicans like Arnold , who actually support personal freedoms and small government.

But hey anyone but bush

you can't reward someone for screwing up

If you gave someone control of a business and they did the same job as bush , he would fired. Nobody would care if it was his fault , or someone mislead him, he would just be gone.

Earlier in the thread somebody said "can't you say anything nice about the president"

I don't know can you? What is that makes people want to support bush/cheney? I mean if you are a major stock holder in Halliburton, or perhaps a multi millionaire who owns a coal-fired power plant, I can see.

But what makes normal people support him?

[TGR]

Nice post Ferret!

I ask myself the same questions. A friend of mine is a teacher and supports Bush. When I asked 'why', he said that he likes the fact that Bush is pro-business.

Pro-business? What kind of politician ISN'T pro-business? You don't get the funding required to run for president by being ANTI-BUSINESS!

I honestly think some people have been scared into voting/supporting Bush. It's quite sad!

[hatchet]

Scared? Scared of what? Scared of Kerry getting in there? Maybe
j/k

And I agree with John on this one. Childish games on both sides.

[ferret77]

why don't you post why you like george bush, and the postitive things he has done?

you don't even know why do you?

[ehman]

Meh, they both suck equally.

Bush -> Rather than make any concrete plans to solve the challenges facing America, he plays on Americas fear of terrorist attacks, and weapons of mass destruction.

Kerry -> Rather than make any concrete plans to solve the challenges facing America, he plays on Americas fear Bush's scary policys.

[docquesting]

Ehman u did make me laugh there for a second. I must input that fears of terror attacks are real unless you forgot 9-11 and Russia, Spain, and now France. People tend to forget and go into denial when its not happening to them. And also when the news keeps feeding you lies. Remember cnn means (communist news network).

Here is an interesting link.

http://www.worthynews.com/zone.cgi?http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/431489|top|10-07-2004::01:46|reuters.html

[Dark_Matter]

you've repeatedly stated that the media is feeding us lies. What are these lies exactly and how do you know they are lies?

[docquesting]

Like that Pres Bush wants to reinstate the draft when the deomcrats auctully started it. and that there are no terroist in Iraq.

[Dark_Matter]

I'll concede the first point since I think you might be right about it, but I would like to know where and when you heard someone say there are no terrorists in Iraq. There certainly are no weopons of mass destruction, but I haven't heard anyone claiming that there are no terrorists.

Quite the contrary, I beleive the general consensus is that Iraq is now a mecca for terrorists who want to kill American troops.

[docquesting]

Well Ill agrea with you on the last part too although ive auctully heard on the news that both points were mentioned none and that there were. I think it goes back to which one you watch partly too.

[hatchet]

haha.. Would you like me to lie and play childish games like both the candidates or do you just want the truth? Here's my truth..
I like my job.. I get a paycheck every week.. we have work out in front of us.. my neighbors are working.. I'm safe in our country.. my mortgage rate is 4.25%.. my truck loan is at 0%.. I'm having twins at no cost because my insurance is good (I don't pay for it either the company I work for does).. my wife has MS and she's healthy due to good insurance.. Saddam Hussein is gone.. housing market is good (able to sell it above market value and put my healthy family into a new house).
Anybody can spin facts to be what they want - but the facts above I know for certain. IMO Bush is the right person to have in office right now - he may not be the best but he's better than Kerry (again IMO) to do what needs to be done.

Originally Posted by ferret77

why don't you post why you like george bush, and the postitive things he has done?

you don't even know why do you?

[docquesting]

Thank you Hatchet xctly.

[ferret77]

so your arguement is you got a loan and a job with health insurance?

but less people have jobs and health insurance now, then when bush took office

I bought a boat and truck straght cash, and I sure as hell don't feel that the president helped me, or had anything to do with it (although I would like to thank my viagra and gambling link partners)

I guess people just like to keep the status quo

[hatchet]

I again say - you can spin facts however you want to make your point.
And when did the decline in jobs start? Hmm... before he took office.
Then throw 9/11 in the mix. Corporations get scared..etc..etc.. we even saw a crunch in the commercial construction industry that typically doesn't hit us for several years after economic scares. Jobs decline even in very healthy economies if you look at one sector versus another. Overall job employment isn't far off from where it peaked in 2001 - might get back up there by the end of Bush's term but not likely.
So if the president hasn't helped you - has he hurt you? Doubt it.
I don't have an argument - I'm stating my facts about my life. Bush being president hasn't hurt me.

[ehman]

Originally Posted by docquesting

Ehman u did make me laugh there for a second. I must input that fears of terror attacks are real unless you forgot 9-11 and Russia, Spain, and now France. People tend to forget and go into denial when its not happening to them.

The fears are very real, but I feel the president is taking unfair advantage of some the fears, and is actually helping spread some of these fears in the wrong direction.

I am not arguing that there were no terrorists in Iraq just that there were many more imminent threats to security than Iraq.

And also when the news keeps feeding you lies. Remember cnn means (communist news network).

FOX = Fascist Opinion Xchange (remember most fascists can't spell)

[docquesting]

OK lol you did get me there and atleast you were reasonable on your opinion unlike some others. And I wish yall guys would leave my spelling alone aargh.

P.s I yall do know where I stand so I wont go in to details on these things much......

And I am not whatever you call em.