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10-08-2004, 04:26 PM
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I couldn't find any stats, but I think it's a safe bet that Dubya wasn't the first president to take office with a certain sector(s) suffering job losses. If anyone has any stats on that, pleas post them. |
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10-08-2004, 05:03 PM
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10-08-2004, 05:29 PM
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Yes - I should've put that in my post regarding the manufacturing jobs being most affected. You have to admit that the 2 administrations were/are operating under totally different circumstances. I didn't see any terrorists knocking on any American doors during Clintons administration.
Was 9/11 that long ago that we've all forgotten what happened to the economy afterwards? I would hate to think that some terrorists could be the reason that Kerry wins this election. I'm not here to try and convince someone to vote one way or another.. that's like trying to convince someone to buy and chevy over a ford - just not going to happen.. and honestly I could care less what anyone votes. I have my views and yall can have yours. Good day  [added]Interesting article from one persons point of view.. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ary_economy_dc[/added] Quote:
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10-08-2004, 06:01 PM
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a lot of the economic problems bush has been facing were casued by the massive corporate scandels
not exactly in his control but he was good friends wth ken lay of enron , and also "supposedly" enron helped advise them on energy policies I say "supposedly" becasue cheney went to the supreme court to keep the meeting priviate http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4830129/ which I guess is reasonable but cheney is also close friends with one of the supreme court judges , they even went hunting before the decision Do you guys remeber enron? I guess I just think bush is crooked , and extreme, although I guess he hasn't hurt me personally , neither has saddam I think he twisted the events of 9/11 to suit his own agenda, maybe if the war in iraqi had gone great , and the people loved us etc, like they thought maybe I would have to say "wow that crazy texan was right!" but it hasn't , I think that he might end up creating a situtation like in isreal a forever war , never ending |
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10-08-2004, 08:17 PM
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and round and round we go.
Things were going down hill at the end of Pres. Clintons term and Greenspan screwed up and raised interest rates way to far, way to fast. It normally takes 2-3 years to change an economic direction. All I know is that my main business is a very close and quick economic indicator. I knew the stock market was going to tank because business was slowing down so fast in Pres. Clintons last year. When 9/11 happened, it was the first time I've ever been worried about not having an income. It happened quick and it took about 2 years for the US economic engine to get started again. It's been a little iffy, but trust me, things are getting better fast right now. I think the Bush admin had something to do with that. 
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10-08-2004, 08:29 PM
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Kerry votes
For and then against this war and funding He also voted against the first iraq war when the UN was with us He voted against increasing intelligence funding after 9-11 He is against pro-life and for killin unborn babies. and he is for rewarding drug companies that over charge senior citizens. and higher taxes to pay for his 650 billion healthcare plan ect ect The Iraqi troops are getting training in a 5 week period one less than ours. They are getting better in fights. Kerry will hand our troops over to the UN in the (global test) deal. He is the same ole flip flopper and copy catter. Busk is right. |
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10-09-2004, 07:29 AM
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One thing that does piss me off about partisanship is someone so blinded by their affiliation that they can see no room for criticism. I will never understand party affiliation. Why such devotion to a party that you can admit no wrong or worse, admit that the other can do no right? I know that that is a blanket statement and that not everyone is like that, but you know what I speak of. Myself, for example, used to support the Liberal party here in Canada. At that time I liked what they stood for more than any other party and what they seemed to be working towards. When all of that ended up in lies and scandal, I changed the party I supported. And if that party goes in a direction I do not like, then I will re-evaluate again. I know that that is a lot harder for Americans in a two party system and you have to pick the lesser of two evils, but to wholly support every single thing anyone in your does and laud nothing the other does defies common sense to me. |
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10-09-2004, 08:36 AM
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I too hope that article is true. Looking at some of the government reports it seems to be true - but it's so hard to tell from what they say on TV. It's always one party lying about the other... disgusting really
Some of the senate races here in Colorado scare me due to partisanship. They get to federal government and they vote party line everytime.. there is no swaying them. Whereas in State government they more stick to what is morally right - or at least traditionally it works that way..haha. I agree 100% with your last statement. I may only speak about certain things of the administration that I agree with but there are items I don't.. like you said - lesser of 2 evils |
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10-09-2004, 09:40 AM
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That is true so far as Kerry goes he claims Bush lied on the first debate (TV add). I watched it but Bush didnt lie about anything. I watched the second debate and Bush caught Kerry lying about his timber company Kerry said he Bush, supposedly owned. Made Kerry look like an idiot. They dont stick to whats morally right in any level of government. To many liberals. Take a look at the flag situation here in Ga and SC. And if you were a Democrat pointing fingers at the Republicans, the districts reorginization. And so far as morally right goes. Wether you like it or not stem cell research is killing unborn babies. Kerry said he would support it. Bush said he would not becuase of ethics. Kerry also made mention of the guy he talked to with the nervous condition that told him not to take away his hope of being cured. I have a simualar condition like that guy had. I still have hope that someday soon they will find a cure without killing unborn babies. For instance the Universty Of Miami is working on a drug that auctully regrows nerves. P.s Remember to that Kerry voted against the Gulf War when the UN was invloved. My cousin is a housing contracter building $200k plus houses. He leans more to the democratic side but says that the economy is getting better. Last edited by docquesting : 10-09-2004 at 09:44 AM. |
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10-09-2004, 09:54 AM
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"Want some wood?"
In fact, according to his 2003 financial disclosure form, Bush does own part interest in "LSTF, LLC", a limited-liability company organized "for the purpose of the production of trees for commercial sales." So Bush was wrong to suggest that he doesn't have ownership of a timber company. And Kerry was correct in saying that Bush's definition of "small business" is so broad that Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business" in 2001 by virtue of the $84 in business income. |
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10-09-2004, 10:06 AM
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Maybe Rove should have reminded Bush of the truth
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10-09-2004, 10:19 AM
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I was partuculary amused by Georgie boy's comments on drugs from Canada.
"When a drug comes in from Canada, I want to make sure it cures you and doesn't kill you, and what my worry is is that, you know, it looks like it's from Canada, and it might be from a third world" G.W. Bush Doesn't that half brain know that all drugs sold in Canada are US made and imported from the US, or manufactured here by Canadian subsidiaries of American companies? Or does he simply think that Americans are so stupid? Btw. I wouldn't like Americans to buy drugs here in Canada en masse. A few "prescription drugs tours for seniors" that I see here daily, are OK, they help some locals economies. But any large scale trade of that sort would put Canadians in trouble. |
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10-09-2004, 10:21 AM
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Well Kerry meant to make it look like he auctully owned a company meaning that you would own 50%. But you do have a valid point there TGR. I douby Bush even thought of that fact that he might have owned some shares as you just mentioned. Either way I think Bush did a really great job in refuting that. Kerry also wanted voters to think other than what you just mentioned in the so broad section but lets not get into all that shall we as we know where we both stand.
I think anyone with enough brains would realize that Kerry will raise taxes to support the healthcare system he proposes. Basically he would be rewarding drug companies for there evil doing under his plan. Under Bush it means lower taxes keeping mimimum wage the same, limiting liability lawsuits all bringing about more jobs for the average person and keeping a tab on price increases. What we have been seeing latly is do to weather and chinas economy making everything more expencive. Litlefella that wasnt even a smart comment about the drugs> If you feal we shouldnt be getting drugs other countries give some more facts as to why just not stupid statements. |
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10-09-2004, 10:21 AM
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"Wether you like it or not stem cell research is killing unborn babies. Kerry said he would support it. Bush said he would not becuase of ethics"
actually I think the embryos are actually scheduled to die anyway, becuase they are not being used for fertilization purposes I don't think the government should try to legislate morality being that the morality its been trying to legislate is the conservative christan kind, which not everyone in the country believes ecspeically if it stands int he way of research that might help people "killin unborn babies" I think a lot of woman in this country believe that they should have right to do what they want with their own bodies the country is supposed to be free for people to make up there own mind about what they want to do with their lives Its funny republicans are supposed to be against big goverment and government interference in peoples lives yet bush and company seem to want pass laws to regualte people's personal lives "and he is for rewarding drug companies that over charge senior citizens." I am not sure where you get that from ? could you link to it? "For and then against this war and funding" you can say that he voted proabably for politcal resaons which very possibly could be true, but the thing with bills is they often have more then one part you could have a bill thats says build more playgrounds at schools , but in the apendix its says you will build them out of the bones of outsouced computer programmers If you vote against it then you are techically against playgrounds, but it doesn't quite give the whole story "He also voted against the first iraq war when the UN was with us" I thought that war might have been a mess too but they executed it right, we didn't try to occupy iraqi, althought it probably would have helped if we didn't dessert the kurds |
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10-09-2004, 10:26 AM
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Would you want to pay 80 bucks for pills even if the gov pays for it. Someone ends up paying re taxpayers.
Murder is Murder and killing unborn babies is that. In that case we might as wil get rid of the whole justice system. Let everyone go around killing anybody. Same thing regardless of what (you) might think. Last edited by docquesting : 10-09-2004 at 10:30 AM. |
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10-09-2004, 10:36 AM
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As for the "80 bucks for pills", that's nothing. In some hospital they will charge you that much for ONE tylenol pill. Now, tell me that makes sense, if the production of a pound of tylenol cost probably $0.05 + $0.01 for transport and distribution.. Quote:
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