Presidential debate - Page 8

ferret77 · 10-09-2004, 10:45 AM

you are showing how extreme and unreasonable your view points are

you think your values should be forced onto everyone

its not the Taliban , it supposed to be a free country

I don't think the majority of Americans think that using frozen embryos which are scheduled to be destroyed anyway for scientific purposes is murder, maybe they do but I doubt it

purposes which may save lives by the way, if a cure for some debilitating disease is not found because stem cell research was blocked

would that be murder too?

for some one who is so pro human life you seem to have no qualms with wars

I believe the pope and the catholic church was against the war in Iraqi, by the way

and I don't think people who are pro choice are pro-murder,

"Let everyone go around killing anybody. Same thing regardless of what (you) might think."

well a lot of American woman seem to think that's its their right to choose

the bush administration has also been against funding programs which teach birth control (other then abstinence), do you believe in that's wrong too?

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 10:53 AM

People on the left always call folks on the right exteme and unresonable. Its like yall have heard me say before go read your Bible. It has all the answers you ever want to know.

War is not murder. Its protecting yourself. And I know I am leaving myself open by that but oh well.

P.s The pope and the catholics have no qualms in murdering other christians that are not catholic...........Outside the Us.

www.baptistfire.com/articles/other/mexico.shtml

templateteacher · 10-09-2004, 11:23 AM

How many people are really "undecided" in this election?

From what I have seen, just about everybody is fired up in this election. The campaigns are focusing on getting their base of voters rallied to show-up on election day. Turn out will decide this election and half of the country will be pissed off as a result no matter who wins.

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 11:35 AM

Yup I didnt tink about that but your prbly right.

littleFella · 10-09-2004, 11:39 AM

I just came back from Buffalo a couple of hours ago. Met some friends there. A few conservatives. Some said that yesterday's debate shook their belief in Bush. One chick said that Bush made her realize he has nothing to say, but repeats the same old song all the time, as if he were a scratched record.
I was surprized at the comment. She's been a hard core conservative.

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 11:44 AM

She must really been drunk or something becuase Bush did better this time than any.

littleFella · 10-09-2004, 11:52 AM

Drink in the morning? Must be some novell conservative way of life she's never heard about yet

And she wasn't alone in her views today. One guy (a conservative and a Catholic) said that if it he were to make his mind on the last debate alone he would vote for Kerry.

If Bush did better this time than any then he is in trouble.

Frankly, I think it would be to democrats advantage to not get Kerry elected this time around. I think the US is still sliding down, or staying level at best.

I want the damn US dollar to be a bit more stable and climb up a little. Most of my customers are Americans. I used to get $1.55 to $1.60 Canadian on $1.00 US. Now I'm getting only $1.25.
C'mon guys. Move that economy forward! Help!

Rivux · 10-09-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

She must really been drunk or something becuase Bush did better this time than any.

Bush was better in that he didn't fall asleep this time which was great, he was much more passionate and vocal about his beliefs. I believe him and Kerry were tied when it comes to style points. But on substance, Bush added nothing new, he made no case for any of his plans for the future and spent more time talking about how bad kerry sucks then about either a) the past 4 years, or b) the next 4 years.

By far the most interesting segment to me was the question regarding state funding for abortions. I think they both stated their views very clearly, there wasn't much room to debate their points since abortion is based so much on faith and so little on facts. Bush made it very clear what his stance was, which will strengthen the support he already has, but I don't think it added any new voters.

Buskerdoo · 10-09-2004, 12:30 PM

It's interesting how most of the time society respects people that "stick to their guns." Now we are comparing to someone who changes his opionion depending on the audience he addresses simply to get votes.So, the way to combate that, it to say Pres. Bush has no new ideas???

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 12:32 PM

I would agree with you on that.

Just read a news article that made me mad.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...clear_kerry_dc

You cant make deals with terrosist or countries that are known to support them. Giving them nucleur fuel just makes it easier for them to cover up.
Thats about the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Guess thats the way Kerry is going to take care of world wide nucleur fuel stuff. He will give it to terrosist nations hoping they wont use it for something else. Ahuh really makes a lot of since.

Ferre · 10-09-2004, 01:14 PM

Cmon, how far can paranoia go? My country has neuclear power plants and so have a dozen others, it's pure political warmongering from America with their bull**** fear for muslim countries. Racism and prejustice is becomming normal over there. Iran has never treatened America at all, they should be able to get their energy from any source they want, just as my country can and tons of others, This bullying other nations in behalf of Israel is going a little over the top now.

America does not OWN other countries neither can it tell them how to get their energy, this is absurd. They really should get to learn where to stop interfering with others, the way they are acting now makes the whole world hate them.

REALITY CHECK: Iran is an independent nation in the ARAB WORLD, not in America or Israel.

awall19 · 10-09-2004, 04:31 PM

a few interesting links

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/arc..._03.php#003629
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004/10/i-didnt-do-it.html
http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/956
http://monkeydyne.com/bushresume/resume.html
http://www.isbushwired.com/

track the election polls
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 04:33 PM

Yada Yada Yada Will yall go and fight for your freedom like I would gladly do if I were able too.

awall19 · 10-09-2004, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

like I would gladly do if I were able too.

you do not need to be in the military if you believe in the war that much...find some arms and make your way over to the battlefield.

docquesting · 10-09-2004, 04:43 PM

MMM ya ive thought about that If I wernt disabled. Makes me really mad too. Yall guys that are not handicapped thank your lucky stars your not.

ferret77 · 10-09-2004, 06:10 PM

this one is pretty funny too awall

its shows the consistancy in the administration

geaorge never flips flops

http://amixedmessage.com/index.php

you know what sort of odd in the last debate when that lady asked 3 mistakes bush had made , he couldn't think of any

do you think he really thinks he hasn't ever made a mistake?

**South** · 10-09-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferre

Cmon, how far can paranoia go? My country has neuclear power plants and so have a dozen others

Now you're getting the point. You have them and we say nothing. Why? Because your country has a history of being peaceful, civil, and trustworthy. If the folks of that area acted with the same sanity as the folks of Amsterdan we would have no problem with them.

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Originally Posted by Ferre

America does not OWN other countries neither can it tell them how to get their energy, this is absurd. They really should get to learn where to stop interfering with others, the way they are acting now makes the whole world hate them.

You don't have to own a country to recognize them as a threat. The idea that they are interested in nuclear power as an energy means only is past naive, it's laughable. As long as sworn enemies with little evidence of mental stability have potential for developing nuclear weapons, we'll interfere. Whether or not the rest of the world hates us for preventative measures is really irrelevant.

I hate war. I hate that the US is at war. I'm a staunch state's rights activist and wartime tends to weaken state's rights. Even so, I can easily see the need to nuetralize those people completely.

But what about their rights?

If there was any historical indication that they could have nuclear weapons and be trusted not to use them to blow up cities, I'd say "leave them alone and let them have them. At that point it really would be none of our business what kind of weapons they had.

Any sensible person will recognize that Iran and Iraq have proven themselves too unreliable and unstable to be allowed such powers.

PRBot.Com · 10-09-2004, 06:31 PM

Kerry is so far left it would be perfectly safe to call him a communist bastard, IMHO

Max

hatchet · 10-09-2004, 06:56 PM

haha.. some of them make no sense.
For instance...

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You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."

versus

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"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11."

In the first quote he's talking about the war on terror NOT 9/11. I agree with him - there is no difference between al Qaeda and Saddam - both terrorists IMO. That site is no different than the ads on TV - one party trying to make another look bad. There has to be a flip flop site for Kerry somewhere

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Originally Posted by ferret77

this one is pretty funny too awall

its shows the consistancy in the administration

geaorge never flips flops

http://amixedmessage.com/index.php

you know what sort of odd in the last debate when that lady asked 3 mistakes bush had made , he couldn't think of any

do you think he really thinks he hasn't ever made a mistake?