Republican vs Democrat - What's the Difference?

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Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

I'm always curious when I talk to Europeans, etc. that are sort of anti American military:

Your country lost over 200,000 people in World War 2. Americans risked their lives and money to free the region.

It's funny how Americans completely ignore Britains larger role in WW2. It was the allies in Holland, that includeds Britain. The point of Operation Market Garden in the netherlands was to put the British into position to attack Germany. And It's not just in Holland. Manys the time I have seen "America won the war"...

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[quote=Stephen Bradley]It's impossible to know the truth about religion though. QUOTE]

Your right on the relegion part but God didnt invent that. Its mans idea of God and how they assume He them to follow Him. Or something that suits there purpose in having people follow them.

P.,s Did anyone notice they the Senate passed a bill to decrease more military bases last week? Vote was 47-45 could someone provide who voted what way. I wonder who the two voters that voted for it hmm. I guess our town is gona dry up if this base closes next door. We also need it for security as we have one of the two plutonium depositories in the nation next to it. Also chemical plants and a nucluer plant. They have been worried about Fort Gordon closing for awhile.

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Dudley is in a part of the Midlands known as the Black Country, so named because of its heavy industry. The landscape was once littered with horrific factories spewing out filthy black smoke into the atmosphere, leaving it permanently enveloped in black gloom. Hence the name, The Black Country. That will give you some idea of what the place is like – how many regions can you name that are officially named after its obscene pollution levels?

I once heard Dudley being described by the arsehole of the world by a man who lives in London. No, not the arsehole of Britain ... the arsehole of the WORLD. I agree. I live there, and it’s the most miserable cesspit ever. It is a depressing brown and grey mass of stinking, derelict buildings, which in part can be blamed on the opening of the Merry Hill shopping centre. This caused most decent shops to either move or close down, leaving chav friendly shops such as MaccyD’s, poundworld and a terrible cheap clothes shack called Rock Bottom, presumably named so because you would have to have hit rock bottom to consider shopping in there. I also like to call this shop VultureLand, due to the terrible mêlées that occur when 2 or more chavs spot the same tracksuit bottoms for 99p “Oyyy! Its mine! Dow yow touch itt!” “I saw it first ya slaaaggg!”, it resembles vultures fighting amongst themselves as they pick at a stinking corpse.

A few years back, I was walking to Dudley Town Centre with a friend , when a group of 3 chavlings, about 14 years of age, with white caps and Neanderthal movements, came lolling up to us shouting abuse for no reason at all. Then they picked up stones, pelted them at us, and threw a particularly large brick off the back of my friends head, sending blood everywhere. They ran off s******ing. This unprovoked violence is what passes for entertainment to the community of chavs in Dudley. (I have always called them Neanderthals or cap boys long before I heard of chavs.)

One question that visitors to Dudley often ask (along with “Why did I come here?” and “How can you cope to live in such a squalid environment”?) is “What’s the with island sculptures?” Let me explain. Dudley council evidently had thousands of pounds of money to spend on the town to make it better. So rather than spend it on a much needed police presence, or on health care, education, the roads… or ANYTHING useful, some bright spark decided that it would be great for the people of Dudley to look at sculptures on the islands while they sit in traffic (traffic which could have been relieved with this funding). So while we sit in traffic, coughing from the excessive fumes, we can look at such wonders as MONKEY ISLAND at Castle Gate… sculptures of strange monkey/lion type creatures, a collection of balls, a bell, some sort of unholy scythe that looks like the grim reaper dropped it because it was too ugly… the list goes on. Thousands were spent on these modern art travesties, but the worst of all has to be the horrendous rusty Pegasus statue they put on Scotts Green island. (Locals call it “Peggys ‘Oss” … Oss being Black Country for Horse.) I don’t know if these works of ‘art’ were meant to cheer us up, but it has the opposite effect on most.

If you think the chavs that are infesting our towns like vermin are bad now, then you have a shock coming. I work in a Dudley school and I see first hand the next generation of skum that are being bred here, ready for release over the next few years. Vicious, sadistic little beasts who destroy and damage anything in their path, who scream abuse at anyone nearby for the sake of it. Any attempt to challenge their behaviour by long suffering teachers is met with pathetic excuses and moaning in their awful Black Country dialect (which is perhaps the worst mangling of the human language ever) – “It worrr even me tho! I day do it! It was ‘im an’ all! Yer mom!!!” (Translation: “I am completely innocent. Another person is responsible for this offence. I also believe that you are a foolish person.”)

Add to this industrial nightmare a laughable list of ‘tourist attractions’, such as Dudley Zoo, whose only animal attractions consist of a few snails, some shell-shocked wallabies, and an emaciated lion. There is also the Black Country museum (not a bad day out actually, but very overpriced. Quite Chav free, though, because they can’t afford admission on the dole.) Neither of these attractions are worth the visit. Especially not the zoo. Recently a group of primary school kids broke into Dudley Zoo and beat a baby wallaby to death and threw it into a pond. This is the mindset of the youth of Dudley. If you think the current generation of chav is bad, you ain’t seen NOTHING yet.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

It's funny how Americans completely ignore Britains larger role in WW2. It was the allies in Holland, that includeds Britain. The point of Operation Market Garden in the netherlands was to put the British into position to attack Germany. And It's not just in Holland. Manys the time I have seen "America won the war"...

Auctully we did dude. Churchill had to beg our President to send help becuase otherwise the Germans would have over run them. At that time no one in our country wanted to be involved but our President went and did the right thing anyway.

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The greatest battles such as The Battle of Britain, were funnily enough, fought by Britain. USA were safe away over the Atlantic. Britain was invaded, and won the battle. They completed many many missions during the war, the Americans were simply another one of the allies who also fought huge battles. You people grow up thinking you won the war. Here, we weren't even in the war, even though out town was bombed by Luftwaffe because the yanks used this place as a navy base, we look at the facts of the war, no one sided opinion.

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Originally Posted by docquesting

Auctully we did dude. Churchill had to beg our President to send help becuase otherwise the Germans would have over run them. At that time no one in our country wanted to be involved but our President went and did the right thing anyway.

The president went to war indeed. Hitler's decalration of war on America was what he was waiting for.

As for winning the war (the European theater of operations) , my take is that America paid 80% of the cost, while Soviets did 80% of the fighting (figures inveneted for the prurpose of this post )

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Yeah the Eastern front was pretty intense

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Hmm could be Steve. Id have too double check I used to be into that part of history a lot.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/
that is actually a pretty good site for getting some good info. It isnt all one sided like some other sites, it covers the wetern and eastern fronts, the american battle, the british battles on the home front etc.

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Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

Your country lost over 200,000 people in World War 2. Americans risked their lives and money to free the region. Was it worth it for the US to have a strong military then? Was it worth our tax dollars then? Or, would it be better to be goose stepping with the Nazi's who didn't put up with drugs, homosexuals, people of other race, or anything else.

I'm not debating this or offering it up as an absolute, just food for thought.

Well, I totally agree with you, and that was a long time ago. Since those days the costs of militairy in your country have trippled-I-don-know-how-many-times and all the balance is lost. Also somewhere in the 80's the world found out that the weapon systems we have can demolish this planet within a few minutes. nearly every western country has at least a few A bombs on the chelves ready to launch and some people think it's time to become a little more civilized as humans in general and start to think of ways to spend less on weaponry and more on social and cultural development, I happen to be one of them and luckily for me it's the general feeling in my country and with its politics.

I do not believe countries shouldn't be able to defend themselves, and help other countries if they get invaded but I do not see why America should spend more money on weapons than the whole world combined, only because of the fact that with only a few % of that money the government could do great things for the people. Don't forget I live in a country that does that and I also know the situation in the US from personal exprience. And about the medical care I agree with you also, American hospitals are with the best in the world, if I would have to go to a hospital when I would be in the states I wouldn't specially go to the Netherlands, although if I would be in a few other western countries I would rather go back to the Netherlands, we have with the best hospitals in the world too. Btw, all of us are also covered by our health insurance when we go abroad.

Where it comes down to is not the question if countries should have a militairy, it's the % that is spend on it compared with what goes to the people and their cultural development that is sometimes questioned.

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

The greatest battles such as The Battle of Britain, were funnily enough, fought by Britain.

Don't forget that Britain fought the Battle using other nationals, and that their contrubution was vital.
303 Squadron, named after the Polish-American hero General Tadeusz Kosciuszko, achieved the highest number of kills (273) of all the fighter squadrons engaged in the Battle of Britain, even though it only joined the combat on August 30.

The highest number og kills by and individual pilot is attributed to a Chech pilot Josef Frantisek, flying with 303 Polish Squadron He was the most efficient allied ace of the Battle of Britain, with 17 confirmed kills.

Total number of German losses was around 1200.

Other nationals who fought:
Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders and Canadians, French and Belgians.

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Sounds good I used to read a ton but not anymore. Pc and tv? forget books lol.

[Buskerdoo]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

It's funny how Americans completely ignore Britains larger role in WW2. It was the allies in Holland, that includeds Britain. The point of Operation Market Garden in the netherlands was to put the British into position to attack Germany. And It's not just in Holland. Manys the time I have seen "America won the war"...

Chill...

I wasn't saying America did it alone. I know perfectly well who the major forces were.

But, it is fair to say that Americans didn't HAVE to be there. It wasn't our war. We were attacked by the Japenese and had a war to fight. We didn't have Germans at our backdoor or in our country so why would we have fought here...give me a break with your logic. My Dad risked his life for Europe and he did it gladly.

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Originally Posted by littleFella

Don't forget that Britain fought the Battle using other nationals, and that their contrubution was vital.
303 Squadron, named after the Polish-American hero General Tadeusz Kosciuszko, achieved the highest number of kills (273) of all the fighter squadrons engaged in the Battle of Britain, even though it only joined the combat on August 30.

The highest number og kills by and individual pilot is attributed to a Chech pilot Josef Frantisek, flying with 303 Polish Squadron He was the most efficient allied ace of the Battle of Britain, with 17 confirmed kills.

Total number of German losses was around 1200.

Other nationals who fought:
Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders and Canadians, French and Belgians.

yep. I remember going through all the other nationals in the D-Day thread on its anniversary, or maybe it was a battle of britain thread, not sure.

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Originally Posted by Buskaroo

But, it is fair to say that Americans didn't HAVE to be there.

Yeah they didnt, but they made a fantastic contribution, and we all got the result wanted

My Dad risked his life for Europe and he did it gladly.

Great War vet
My grandad was in Italy, has a big scar from tank shrapnal on his face.

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Hmmmm people surely forget fast who helps and bites the hand that feeds them.