Republican vs Democrat - What's the Difference?

[PRBot.Com]

Rivux, call the KATO institute, they will mail you the figures.

southsnow, socialists always use irrelevant arguments to argue their case. realisting arguments are not on their side so they come up with the argument you just seen above.

I have no problem helping someone who just lost her leggs in a car accident but I have a huge problem feeding parasites living on welfare all their lives spiting our parasite after parasite year afte year.

here in Knoxville, TN we have 22,000 whores living on welfare for over 15 years and they all have 5-10 children. These types are the result of the leftist welfare system.

The left creates a bunch of dependents so they can wil more power by promising them more of the wealth they did not earn or deserve.

Max

[Rivux]

Yes I am implying that actually. Welfare is a lot more then just the cheques people get for not being able to work. Welfare consists of "cash aid, food, medical aid, housing aid, energy aid, jobs and training, targeted and means-tested education, social services, and urban and community development programs"*

"Roughly half of total welfare spending goes to families with children, most of which are single parent households. The other half goes largely to the elderly and to disabled adults."

HALF of welfare spending is on the elderly and disabled adults, that is the group I explicitly mentioned in my post, so yes, a decent fraction is going towards them. That isn't to mention the other largest section which is single family homes, and as much as we would like to see all families have two parents, it isn't always possible or practical, so we are left to help them out.

* http://www.heritage.org/Research/Wel...est030701b.cfm

[John Scott]

PRbot, do not refer to people as whores please.


And, I used to be a contractor. I went into the welfare offices here several times and announced that I was looking to hire laborors. $10 and hour, and I offered draws on the pay. Not once did anybody in a welfare office ask me for a job. Everybody had excuses. Nobody wanted to work.

[awall19]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

I'm curious. Who here thinks that most people on welfare in America would starve or be homeless if that welfare wasn't available?

thats a pragmatic reductionistic rhetorical question to justify your own opinion, but there is more to life than just food and home. by your definition everyone in jail is on welfare cheesing off the system. I have not spent any time in jail, but I would not consider it a treat.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Rivux

Yes I am implying that actually. Welfare is a lot more then just the cheques people get for not being able to work. Welfare consists of "cash aid, food, medical aid, housing aid, energy aid, jobs and training, targeted and means-tested education, social services, and urban and community development programs"*

"Roughly half of total welfare spending goes to families with children, most of which are single parent households. The other half goes largely to the elderly and to disabled adults."

HALF of welfare spending is on the elderly and disabled adults, that is the group I explicitly mentioned in my post, so yes, a decent fraction is going towards them. That isn't to mention the other largest section which is single family homes, and as much as we would like to see all families have two parents, it isn't always possible or practical, so we are left to help them out.

* http://www.heritage.org/Research/Wel...est030701b.cfm

Rivux, yes or no. Would those people be homeless or starve if we took welfare away?

[South]

Originally Posted by Rivux

"Roughly half of total welfare spending goes to families with children, most of which are single parent households. The other half goes largely to the elderly and to disabled adults."

HALF of welfare spending is on the elderly and disabled adults, that is the group I explicitly mentioned in my post, so yes, a decent fraction is going towards them. That isn't to mention the other largest section which is single family homes, and as much as we would like to see all families have two parents, it isn't always possible or practical, so we are left to help them out.

* http://www.heritage.org/Research/Wel...est030701b.cfm

Of course a large ammount is going to single parent households. WELFARE CREATES AND PROMOTES SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS.

babies=bigger checks=more babies. Get married and you get less free money.

[awall19]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

PRbot, do not refer to people as whores please.


And, I used to be a contractor. I went into the welfare offices here several times and announced that I was looking to hire laborors. $10 and hour, and I offered draws on the pay. Not once did anybody in a welfare office ask me for a job. Everybody had excuses. Nobody wanted to work.

many people do suck. people get used to a patern and expect certain things. its a sad state when people do not want to earn anything.

I am not certain of what proper feedback mechanisms one could use, but there should be something that prevents the above situation.

[John Scott]

Um, single family homes, or single parent homes?

[Rivux]

Originally Posted by PRBot.Com

The left creates a bunch of dependents so they can wil more power by promising them more of the wealth they did not earn or deserve.

I haven't deicded if you say stupid things just because like to debate or you are ignorant, maybe I will figure that out tonite. But how you can possibly relate an unfortunate side effect of Welfare to what the left created welfare for is unfathomable.

I don't think you will ever find someone who supports the welfare system for altruistic reasons, also supporting those that abuse the welfare system. Those that abuse the system are taking away from those that truly need the system, and those are the ones we are trying to help. I am sure there are some politicians out there who try and use the welfare system to their advantage, and those people are no better then those users who are abusing the system. But they are the exception not the rule.

So please, stand there on your soapbox screaming that people who like the welfare system support parasites all you want. But no one takes you seriously and you are just wasting your time.

[Buskerdoo]

Originally Posted by Rivux

... right now Bush is about as far right as you are going to find in American politics, I don't think you can call Bush a 'typical conservative'. It is often easier (and more accurate) to define them as left/right, though I think the center has shifted a lot to the left over the past 30 years, but its the best we got.

I think 15-30 years ago Pres. Bush looked like a centerist or maybe even had some "liberal" thinking. But now that the US has shifted pretty far left, he looks extreme to the right.

That is a very broad statement, but in nearly all cases if you look at why one party believes in something and the other party doesn't, it is because of religion.

Interesting point you should look into even more. You want to bash conservatives as religous and not willing to help the little guy when Liberals do help. But, if you did some research, you'd find many of the so-called religous right are actually giving up to 10% of their money to causes to help poor or less fortunate people. 5-10% on top of there taxes. Government wastes the money and uses it for their own power. Liberal especially want to control everything, to hold power.

The right are a bunch of heartless fascists who would sell out their own mother to make a buck...

That is one of the most offensive and untrue statements I've read on this forum. How many conservatives do you know that are really like that? See my statement above about the 10% and tell me what you did for someone this year.

[South]

Originally Posted by awall19

many people do suck. people get used to a patern and expect certain things. its a sad state when people do not want to earn anything.

I am not certain of what proper feedback mechanisms one could use, but there should be something that prevents the above situation.

There is something to prevent it. Pull away the safety net. People don't want to earn because they don't have to, their mother didn't have to.

They have the art of welfare manipulation down to an art.

[ferret77]

nobody starves in America

I think they should make woman on welfare get a Depo-Provera shot every time they get a check

along with some day after pills to hand out to their friends

push birth control as much as possible

[Rivux]

Originally Posted by southnow

Of course a large ammount is going to single parent households. WELFARE CREATES AND PROMOTES SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS.

babies=bigger checks=more babies. Get married and you get less free money.

Actually that is just the 'family' aspect that you are refering to, but that isn't the key component to the statement in that article, it is the SINGLE part that is important. I have no stats handy though I will go look some up right now, but I believe that the vast majority of single parent homes were at one time multi-parent homes. Welfare doesnt cause one parent to walk out on the other, that is a social issue, not a welfare issue.

Also, did you ignore half my post that answered your question perfectly, or was it answered so well that you had to follow up with something else.

[John Scott]

The bottom line is, no welfare recepient is entitled to my money. Yet they take it any way.

[PRBot.Com]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

PRbot, do not refer to people as whores please.


And, I used to be a contractor. I went into the welfare offices here several times and announced that I was looking to hire laborors. $10 and hour, and I offered draws on the pay. Not once did anybody in a welfare office ask me for a job. Everybody had excuses. Nobody wanted to work.

Joh, a major contractor published just such a complaint in the Knoxville Journal as you have dexribed a couple years ago.

He even went to the projects looking to hire several people and got 4-5 people to sign up but none showed up for work.

Max

[Rivux]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

Rivux, yes or no. Would those people be homeless or starve if we took welfare away?

Yes they would be. Would ALL be, of course not. There are people who abuse the welfare system, no one is denying that. But there are people, look at the link I provded above (50% of welfare goes to the elderly and the disabled) those people would starve and die.

Damn those thread is moving fast, 6 comments are posted while I am writing my reply.

[Rivux]

Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

That is one of the most offensive and untrue statements I've read on this forum. How many conservatives do you know that are really like that? See my statement above about the 10% and tell me what you did for someone this year.

Actually it's my personal opinion, as I stated right before making that remark.


Whats funny is all the people who attacked that line, but had nothing to say to the line right after it where I voiced my displeasure with the left. It's interesting.