Republican vs Democrat - What's the Difference?

[TGR]

Plenty of poor people work.

[South]

Originally Posted by TGR

Plenty of poor people work.

Exactly. And plenty of lazy people collect welfare.

[ehman]

Plenty of people who cant find jobs and still need to feed their kids use welfare.

[Atom]

Yes there are both types in the system.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by ehman

Plenty of people who cant find jobs and still need to feed their kids use welfare.

Yes, it can't just be discounted as no good when it's simply not true.

[Ferre]

Ever heard of 'unemployedment rates'?

When there are say 1000 jobs to hand out to 1200 people, a simple calculation will show you that 200 of them will not have a job. those 200 people are lazy?

that's how many people think, they think every one can get a job and only the lazy ones do not work. I have been to the States a few times, been in Detroid, Washington, Chicago, new York and a few other places. In some areas there is simply not enough work for everyone. I have seen this with my own eyes and yet I see people on these boards who are completely ignorant from the fact that there is simply not enough work to give everyone a job.

However..There is enough money to feed every single American and there would be enough money to take care of better scholing and health care as well if the US government would only be a little more human instead of militairistic.

[TGR]

Some people are just not willing to admit that they have had certain privileges that aren't afforded to everyone.

[Rivux]

I think its about time we add some humour to this thread.

Why are hurricanes always named after women?
'Cos they're wet and fierce when they come and they take your house and your car when they leave

[Buskerdoo]

Originally Posted by Ferre

There is enough money to feed every single American and there would be enough money to take care of better scholing and health care as well if the US government would only be a little more human instead of militairistic.

First and foremost, when the USA was founded, the only reason we had a tax was to create and arm an army. That's our background.

I'm developing a thought here on absolutes. It's not yet complete:

There didn't used to be a welfare system in the US. Historically, the church took on the responsibility of taking care of the poor. Poor, middle class and wealthy people gave their money to the church, or other organizations, and it was redistributed to the poor and needy.

Now, we pay taxes, and the Government redistributes the money.

One way involved a choice and the other didn't.

It appears that many here think that you should always have a choice,
Pro-Choice - Right to abort a child because it was inconvienent, etc.
Pro-Drugs
Right to choose what sex person you marry.
Etc.

But, you don't want to let people make a choice on what they can or can't do with their money?

A double standard?

[Ferre]

double standard? I guess it depends how you see it. I can not tell you how you should go about it in the US, I can only say how I experience taxes in my country and I guess there is a different approach, In my country taxes are not invented to support an army. Taxes are invented to keep our country running, it's used for scholing, welfare, public transport, roads etc.

A certain % of our wages goes to the State and is used for the benefit of all, also our army is paid with this money and social security for the poor.

however, much of the tax money is invested in funds and bring profits, those profits give us the extra funds to take care of old folks and people who can't find a job. these funds are owned by the State, in Holland "the State" is all of us and everything is in the open and very transparant. in general people do not like to pay taxes anywhere and Holland is no exeption but we also know it's not used in a wrong way. Sometimes it can happen that a government uses it for things we don't like and than we just kick them out, what is happening right now btw, our present government isn't performing as we want them to and if you have a look at the polls here in Holland you'll see that the CDA (Christen democrats) who are in charge now and have always been one of the biggest parties in our country have dropped big time and will not be able to get into parliament the next elections..that is if they make it till then, there is a possibility our government will fall within a few weeks, all the civil organisations and the unions want them out and at the moment we have strikes and protests (250000 people last weekend in Amsterdam).

there is nothing wrong with paying taxes if you can agree with what it's used for and we all like our highways and other public facilities. we also know that there will always be people who can not find a job, there are simply more people then available jobs and it's no more than fair to make sure those people have a roof over their heads and a decent life. our constitution states that every single Dutch person has the right to a house and health care, wether they have a job or not. do you have an idea of how many people you can feed for a whole year for the costs of a single Apache helicopter? we are aware of the value of money and specially the value of the money we give to our government to manage our country. that's all they are, managers, and when they do a bad job they get fired. I am 45 years old now and have seen many Dutch governments fall because of their bad management, Usually it's the way they want to use tax money that breaks them up. This time it's using it to help invading other countries while at the same time they want to cut costs for social services.

Taxes are paid anyway, it's how they are used that can give double standards. It's not that you don't have to pay taxes when you don't want to is it?

[ferret77]

"But, you don't want to let people make a choice on what they can or can't do with their money? "

who said that

I would also perfer my taxes spent on finding new sources of energy instead of oil wars

I would also no more prisons be built. and they repeal the drug laws so that addicts get sent to halfway houses and rehabs

instead of prison (its much cheaper, which is good reason for people who have no compassion for fellow citizens)

"Some people are just not willing to admit that they have had certain privileges that aren't afforded to everyone."

People whose families paid there way thru college, and help them get jobs often don't appreciate what its like to start at 0

I think there are more then a few middle and upper classs people , who if they didn't have their familly to support them, or pay for their lawyer, when they screwed up

who would have ended up on those welfare rolls

[South]

Originally Posted by TGR

Some people are just not willing to admit that they have had certain privileges that aren't afforded to everyone.

Such as? What things are denied a person that would require him / her to be forced to welfare.

Exclude physical and mental disability and abandoned / widowed mothers. I ask the question to genuinely understand your viewpoint, and those two instances I already share sympathy on.

[South]

Also please don't include the afore mentioned "parents pay for college" stuff. I'm talking about situations that make you unable to work and earn, the above only really defines income levels not the ability to work.

[littleFella]

"Sooner would a camel go through the eye of a needle than would a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 9:16-24"

I wonder if the conservatives really want the tax cut for the already rich. Are they nuts? Do they really want to go to hell? Or are they simply sacrificing themselves for the benefit of others: making huge bucks so they can pay taxes to support the poor?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by littleFella

"Sooner would a camel go through the eye of a needle than would a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 9:16-24"

I could care less about the debate, but I would like to let you know that Matt 9:16-24 is not near what you posted.

[docquesting]

The Ten Commandments is the differance.

Thats all me is saying.

[South]

Oh yeah, this post was about something else wasn't it?

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by Brian

I could care less about the debate, but I would like to let you know that Matt 9:16-24 is not near what you posted.

oosp, I lost 1 before 9, the actual quote being verse 24