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infinitystudios · 10-11-2004, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferre

"God" is for non believers an alternative word for "I don't know". Most people who do not believe in 'god' prefere "I don't know" above "I believe

interesting viewpoint. I guess I could agree with that provided that each and every single alternative answer i've ever heard OTHER than God just doesn't measure up in my opinion.

None of the alternative suggestions seem to me to be as easy to believe as God.

You're right about not being able to comprehend, that's for sure.

Dark_Matter · 10-11-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitystudios

I'd be interested to hear from those who choose not to believe.... what alternative do you offer to there being a God? Big Bang? Come from Monkeys? Alien life forms?

How did we get here? Why are we here?

My above question is serious though. If not God, then how?

I honestly don't know. I dont beleive anyone does, or ever will. Is it so difficult to beleive that there are things beyond your own comprehension? The beleif that the universe was greated by a "god" (ie a personality with consciousness and intellect) is a conceit. You cant imagine all this being created randomly, so you assume an intellect similar to yourself must be responsible. You assume you can know the unknowable.

You live in a world you simply cant comprehend. So you create a kindly spirit figure whom you envision watching over you and taking care of you. And of course, since you are his "chosen people" (as all religions claim to be) you can pray to him for special favors. It makes perfect sense, as any psychology student can tell you.

The truth is religion only offers answers to those who only want one answer.

If not god then how? I simply don't know. Does that prove it was god? No, it doesnt. It proves we dont know.

I have a question of my own. What does it matter whether theres a god or not? You have this beautiful life to live as you choose, just live it. If there is a god and he went to all the trouble of creating this kick4ss universe, I hardly think he wanted us to spend all our time groveling and worshipping him.

Ferre · 10-11-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitystudios

None of the alternative suggestions seem to me to be as easy to believe as God.

Yes. "As easy to believe" is exactly my point. And for those who do not believe, "god" is the alternative they find hard to believe..

docquesting · 10-11-2004, 08:03 AM

Again Ferre I have to say that you are wrong and that you can know that God is real.
Hopefully one day you will find this out for yourself.

P.s So far as this debate goes. Is it easer to "beleive" that there is not a God or that there is a God which is a fact.

Ferre · 10-11-2004, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

Again Ferre I have to say that you are wrong and that you can know that God is real.
Hopefully one day you will find this out for yourself.

P.s So far as this debate goes. Is it easer to "beleive" that there is not a God or that there is a God which is a fact.

By telling me "I am wrong" you step over the line brother. Again, you believe I am wrong.

Tell me, why should I respect you at all when you can not respect my opinion?

docquesting · 10-11-2004, 08:19 AM

Well I understand where your coming from on that. I still try to respect your opinion if I can but I must point out where I know you are wrong. As I mentioned before you can know that there is GOD.

I dont want to appear as I am disrepecting you but if I dont state what I know to be true for a fact I make myself out to be a lier. I really am at loss to know the best way to respond to you on that right now maybe with more thought I can do a better job.

Dark_Matter · 10-11-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

Again Ferre I have to say that you are wrong and that you can know that God is real.
Hopefully one day you will find this out for yourself.

P.s So far as this debate goes. Is it easer to "beleive" that there is not a God or that there is a God which is a fact.

I am not sure that you are clear on the difference between fact and opinion. A fact is something that can be proven. If god was a fact we wouldnt be having this conversation. Where's your proof?

It certainly is easier to beleive in god than to search for real answers. It's much easier to beleive the things you are told than to find out for yourself.

docquesting · 10-11-2004, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Matter

I am not sure that you are clear on the difference between fact and opinion. A fact is something that can be proven. If god was a fact we wouldnt be having this conversation. Where's your proof?

It certainly is easier to beleive in god than to search for real answers. It's much easier to beleive the things you are told than to find out for yourself.

As far as fact and opinion goes I base my postings on my own personal experiance and what I have seen happen.

I think that should answer the fact and opinion so far as that goes. As I mentioned I can prove it just give me a chance in person and be open and you might be suprised.

I have seen people healed although God doesnt always as in my situation. He has His reasons. I have seen people receive His Spirit and experianced the same for myself.

I have more right than any of you to not beleive in God although I have known otherwise. I think at one point I was close to being that way if not.

I was raised in a very strict relegious upbringing so I know about that part as well. I have been without God. Therefore I have been in both situations.

I thank God that I can know that He is real and not just beleive as most so called christians do. I hope that helps yall out some on where I come from so far as relegious stuff goes.

Ferre · 10-11-2004, 10:06 AM

Do the words "self indoctrination" mean anything to you?

SVB · 10-11-2004, 10:10 AM

hey Ferre, you are a minister. In your church, do you preach about god or a god? Or just cannibis

Ferre · 10-11-2004, 10:19 AM

We are an 'interfaith' church, It is our opinion that cannabis is the original sacrament of Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, Rasta and more, and fulfills the prophesies to 'feed all our hungers'. many of our members believe in some sort of God and there are many who do not believe in any God at all. As stated on our website:

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The THC Ministry is based on ancient wisdom, modern science & the enlightening & healing properties of cannabis sacrament.

Myself I do not believe in an entity that has made the world but I do believe Cannabis to be a tool that helps me explore my spiritual life.

I don't preach out of the Bible though I did, and still do, study the scriptures, just as I study the Quoran and the old coptic writings..and many others.

I preach understanding and respect for our fellow human beings.

SVB · 10-11-2004, 10:25 AM

Thats good, you dont stick to one scripture, and ignore all the rest, saying yours is 'the one'. It's more right to look at them all, and believe what you want. Sounds like fun

TGR · 10-11-2004, 10:28 AM

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Sounds like fun

Sure does!

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I'll be visiting Amsterdam next July. Maybe I'll stop by!

SVB · 10-11-2004, 10:34 AM

In Amsterdam can you just get some weed and start smoking it, without hastle from the law?

Ferre · 10-11-2004, 10:36 AM

Well, we are one of the fastest growing religions in the world at present times, don't assume the members on our forums indicate the number of members, it doesn't. Somehow only a very tiny fraction of our members registered at our forums, we do have an international members DB and we have thousands of members all over the world. Ever done a google search on 'thc ministry'?

docquesting · 10-11-2004, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferre

Do the words "self indoctrination" mean anything to you?

Ha well that was an ok come back I guess. I just pray that God will lead you into all Truth sometime.

Hopefully we can have good debates without getting too carried away. Who knows maybe point out some errors that the other made in there debate.

SVB · 10-11-2004, 10:39 AM

Are you like the leader of the dutch THC?

Ferre · 10-11-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

In Amsterdam can you just get some weed and start smoking it, without hastle from the law?

Not just Amsterdam, the whole Netherlands, we have shops selling it and the funny thing is that only 4% of the population uses Cannabis, one of the lowest stats in the world. to give some comparision, in the US its 17% and the UK 14%

In my country we do not procecute people for their own pesonal choise of what they consume, even if it's rat poison, if people are stupid enough to do it let them, it's their life and they own it, not the government. See, we have a different kind of constitution than most countries, In Holland we get very allergic to "State control", it's us who control the state, not the other way around as in most countries.