Planes weren't hijacked on 9/11 - Page 4

kkibak2 · 11-01-2004, 07:11 AM

I really don't understand what "knowing people" has to do with my opinion regarding one particular statement.

Jim · 11-01-2004, 07:39 AM

Please turn back and look at the statement that you disaggre on his post. There is even a smiley put there. No need to call anyone "stupid, cocky or selfish" for that post, IMO.

My point is, if you don't know someone at all, you can easily misjudge his/her attitudes and comments. I think, that's what you did there.

Ferre · 11-01-2004, 08:39 AM

As far as I recall, the Netherlands didn't drag the US into a war in Afghanistan and the middle east because of any "attack" on our grounds but the US dragged the Netherlands into the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions because of the 9/11 events and this gives us all the right in the world to examine the motives. simple. If it was the other way around we would have been under a microscope by the American people as well, but that is not the fact there is it?

BTW, I still wonder who really attacked the US at 9/11, all we know is that the information we have from the US intelligence has been very unreliable, Also, Bin Laden has told many journalists he had nothing to do with the attacks, so that still leaves a big question open for me.
Usama bin Laden Says the Al-Qa'idah Group
had Nothing to Do with the 11 September Attacks

It's not that I want to believe in conspiracy theories, it's just that there are too many questions not answered or being lied over, I want to know the truth about the reason my tax money and my fellow countrymen are being wasted in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I also believe it's no more than fair that I, or any Dutch people want to know.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 10:34 AM

Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...age041029.html

Stitchy626 · 11-01-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferre

As far as I recall, the Netherlands didn't drag the US into a war in Afghanistan and the middle east because of any "attack" on our grounds but the US dragged the Netherlands into the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions because of the 9/11 events and this gives us all the right in the world to examine the motives. simple. If it was the other way around we would have been under a microscope by the American people as well, but that is not the fact there is it?

If it was the other way around your country would have been begging the US to help you fight your war. It's funny because you will get so many countries that will want the US to help them with this and that, but when we call for help, there is no one to be found ( shouldn't say no one since several countries have stood by us) No one wants anything to do with it. IMO

Dark_Matter · 11-01-2004, 12:11 PM

considering that bin laden is considered a hero (by those who share his views) for the attack, I'd expect he'd take responsibility for it regardless of whether he did it or not. it is odd however that he had not done so until this most recent video tape. Bin laden's statements on the matter prove nothing, however.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Matter

considering that bin laden is considered a hero (by those who share his views) for the attack, I'd expect he'd take responsibility for it regardless of whether he did it or not. it is odd however that he had not done so until this most recent video tape. Bin laden's statements on the matter prove nothing, however.

LOL. He didn't do it because he said he didn't do it, and as a Muslim he cannot lie so we know it's true. But he is lying when he takes responsibility for it. LOL.

ferret77 · 11-01-2004, 12:44 PM

it he might not have been directly responsible, he might have just funded it

if we killed the guy who was in charge of it over the past couple years maybe that opens up him to take credit for it, without stealing someone else shine

or maybe he wanted to wait to make sure all the middle east countires didn't turn against him for it

Dark_Matter · 11-01-2004, 12:54 PM

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LOL. He didn't do it because he said he didn't do it, and as a Muslim he cannot lie so we know it's true. But he is lying when he takes responsibility for it. LOL.

What the hell are you talking about? did I say any of these things? John I must say I am dissapointed in your debate tactics.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 01:00 PM

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What the hell are you talking about? did I say any of these things? John I must say I am dissapointed in your debate tactics.

You didn't say any of those things? You didn't say that he's lying when he's taking credit for it? Because thaat's what it sounds like when you say:

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considering that bin laden is considered a hero (by those who share his views) for the attack, I'd expect he'd take responsibility for it regardless of whether he did it or not. it is odd however that he had not done so until this most recent video tape. Bin laden's statements on the matter prove nothing, however.

If you have proof that he didn't do it, please post it.

Dark_Matter · 11-01-2004, 01:10 PM

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You didn't say any of those things? You didn't say that he's lying when he's taking credit for it? Because thaat's what it sounds like when you say:

I think you may be assuming that I agree with all the posts that came before mine.

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He didn't do it because he said he didn't do it, and as a Muslim he cannot lie so we know it's true

Exactly where did I say this in my post?

What I did say was that bin laden could just as easily have been lying when he took the credit. I'm not even trying to say he did, but the possibility is certainly there.

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If you have proof that he didn't do it, please post it.

I'm not even going to dignify this with an answer.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 01:15 PM

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I'm not even going to dignify this with an answer.

In other words, you do not have any rational reason to think that Bin Ladin didn't do it, but you love those conspiracy theories.

You know how rational people react to threads like these? I find it disgusting. Do something more constructive with your time.

Stitchy626 · 11-01-2004, 01:18 PM

Sorry..... Trying to add a little humor in here to calm everyone down.

Dark_Matter · 11-01-2004, 01:25 PM

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In other words, you do not have any rational reason to think that Bin Ladin didn't do it, but you love those conspiracy theories.

You know how rational people react to threads like these? I find it disgusting. Do something more constructive with your time.

So far John, in all your responses to my posts (across this whole board) you fail to address the facts or opinions I state and prefer to attack me personally. Is this how "rational people" discuss things? You cant make a point without implying that I am "disgusting" or a "coward"? Is your argument so weak?

You put more words im my mouth than alphabet soup. What conspiracy theories am I subscribing to simply by suggesting a possibility? None.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 01:26 PM

People should get emotional in debates. Especially lame-brain debates like these where facts are few and far between, and imagination is dominating.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 01:29 PM

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So far John, in all your responses to my posts (across this whole board) you fail to address the facts or opinions I state and prefer to attack me personally. Is this how "rational people" discuss things? You cant make a point without implying that I am "disgusting" or a "coward"? Is your argument so weak?

You put more words im my mouth than alphabet soup. What conspiracy theories am I subscribing to simply by suggesting a possibility? None.

Dark Matter, I am not attacking you. Read my post:

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LOL. He didn't do it because he said he didn't do it, and as a Muslim he cannot lie so we know it's true. But he is lying when he takes responsibility for it. LOL.

It doesn't even mention you. It's an attack on the non-sensical, contradictory statements made in support of Bin Ladin. If you are taking it personally, I'd suggest you remove yourself from the debate.

To others - if you have proof or even a rational argument, put it forth. But "feelings" and speculation are not the same as facts.

kkibak2 · 11-01-2004, 01:34 PM

Edit: This is in response to the post above regarding the US dragging The Netherlands into the war.

If you are upset that you're there, perhaps you should consider taking the responsibility yourself, as people do in Denmark and other countries throughout the world. Your government made a choice to do that.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2004, 01:36 PM

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If you are upset that you're there, perhaps you should consider taking the responsibility yourself, as we do in Denmark. Your government made a choice to do that.

Whose Gov't made a choice to do what?

Dark_Matter · 11-01-2004, 01:37 PM

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Dark Matter, I am not attacking you. Read my post:

It doesn't even mention you. It's an attack on the non-sensical, contradictory statements made in support of Bin Ladin. If you are taking it personally, I'd suggest you remove yourself from the debate.

To others - if you have proof or even a rational argument, put it forth. But "feelings" and speculation are not the same as facts.

From one idle speculation that bin laden may have (gasp) lied about something (very nonsensical), you attribute conspiracy theories and support for bin laden. Perhaps I should find a more constructive way to pass my time.

kkibak2 · 11-01-2004, 01:38 PM

edited to be clear, i didn't see how many posts had been made since the response to mine so it seems a bit out of context