Planes weren't hijacked on 9/11

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by niceguyeddie

First off, I am not your brother. Please, do not address me as such.

Secondly, I am aware of lawsuits involving the families. However, in the meantime, why don't you email each of the family members and let them in on your little fantasy. I am sure they would love to see that movie, wouldn't you?

I realy do not understand what you mean by 'my little fantasy'. Is wanting to know the truth about things a fantasy nowadays?

As far as I know I have no fantasy all, only unaswered questions. once they have been answered I have the opprtunity to make my mind up, not sooner though many people seem to need only a vague explaination from vague intelligence to believe they know it all.

[Spiral]

There is no mystery here, science and the laws of physics explain everything.

Here is an article I wrote about this nonsense

[niceguyeddie]

Originally Posted by Ferre

I realy do not understand what you mean by 'my little fantasy'. Is wanting to know the truth about things a fantasy nowadays?

As far as I know I have no fantasy all, only unaswered questions. once they have been answered I have the opprtunity to make my mind up, not sooner though many people seem to need only a vague explaination from vague intelligence to believe they know it all.

Here read this. If you have problems with the big words let me know, and I will try to help you.

American Airlines Flight 77
FAA Awareness. American 77 began deviating from its flight plan at 8:54,
with a slight turn toward the south.Two minutes later,it disappeared completely from radar at Indianapolis Center, which was controlling the flight.138 The controller tracking American 77 told us he noticed the aircraft turning to the southwest, and then saw the data disappear.The controller looked for primary radar returns. He searched along the plane’s projected flight path and the airspace to the southwest where it had started to turn.No primary tar-gets appeared. He tried the radios, first calling the aircraft directly, then the airline. Again there was nothing.At this point,the Indianapolis controller had no knowledge of the situation in New York.He did not know that other aircraft had been hijacked. He believed American 77 had experienced serious electrical or mechanical failure, or both, and was gone.139 Shortly after 9:00, Indianapolis Center started notifying other agencies that American 77 was missing and had possibly crashed.At 9:08, Indianapolis Center asked Air Force Search and Rescue at Langley Air Force Base to look for a downed aircraft.The center also contacted the West Virginia State Police and asked whether any reports of a downed aircraft had been received.At 9:09,it reported the loss of contact to the FAA regional center, which passed this information to FAA headquarters at 9:24.140 By 9:20,Indianapolis Center learned that there were other hijacked aircraft, and began to doubt its initial assumption that American 77 had crashed.A discussion of this concern between the manager at Indianapolis and the Command Center in Herndon prompted it to notify some FAA field facilities that American 77 was lost. By 9:21, the Command Center, some FAA field facilities, and American Airlines had started to search for American 77.They feared it had been hijacked.At 9:25, the Command Center advised FAA headquarters of the situation.141 The failure to find a primary radar return for American 77 led us to investigate this issue further.Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56. But for 8 minutes and 13 seconds, between 8:56 and 9:05, this primary radar information on American 77 was not displayed to controllers at Indianapolis Center.142 The reasons are technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying. According to the radar reconstruction,American 77 reemerged as a primary target on Indianapolis Center radar scopes at 9:05, east of its last known position. The target remained in Indianapolis Center’s airspace for another six minutes, then crossed into the western portion of Washington Center’s airspace at 9:10.As Indianapolis Center continued searching for the aircraft,two managers and the controller responsible for American 77 looked to the west and south-west along the flight’s projected path, not east—where the aircraft was now heading. Managers did not instruct other controllers at Indianapolis Center to turn on their primary radar coverage to join in the search for American 77.143 In sum, Indianapolis Center never saw Flight 77 turn around. By the time it reappeared in primary radar coverage, controllers had either stopped looking for the aircraft because they thought it had crashed or were looking toward the west.Although the Command Center learned Flight 77 was missing,neither it nor FAA headquarters issued an all points bulletin to surrounding centers to search for primary radar targets. American 77 traveled undetected for 36 minutes on a course heading due east for Washington, D.C.144 By 9:25, FAA’s Herndon Command Center and FAA headquarters knew two aircraft had crashed into the World Trade Center.They knew American 77 was lost.At least some FAA officials in Boston Center and the New England Region knew that a hijacker on board American 11 had said “we have some planes.” Concerns over the safety of other aircraft began to mount.A manager at the Herndon Command Center asked FAA headquarters if they wanted to order a “nationwide ground stop.”While this was being discussed by executives at FAA headquarters, the Command Center ordered one at 9:25.145 The Command Center kept looking for American 77.At 9:21,it advised the Dulles terminal control facility, and Dulles urged its controllers to look for primary targets. At 9:32, they found one. Several of the Dulles controllers “observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed”and notified Reagan National Airport.FAA personnel at both Reagan National and Dulles airports notified the Secret Service.The aircraft’s identity or type was unknown.146 Reagan National controllers then vectored an unarmed National Guard C-130H cargo aircraft, which had just taken off en route to Minnesota, to identify and follow the suspicious aircraft.The C-130H pilot spotted it,identified it as a Boeing 757, attempted to follow its path, and at 9:38, seconds after impact, reported to the control tower:“looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon sir.”147

[TGR]

niceguyeddie, you should change your name to, "meanbastardeddie".

[Ferre]

that's what I mean, vague information. "it looks like" from American government sources is not relyable for me, sorry.

[Fusion]

Originally Posted by TGR

niceguyeddie, you should change your name to, "meanbastardeddie".

lol yea whats nice about the mofo?

[John Scott]

Funny. Thousands of people saw the jets hit the World Trade Center buildings, yet there are always these freaks who got to assume that there is some Gov't conspiracy.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Fusion

lol yea whats nice about the mofo?

Fusion, how many times have you been banned? Nobody here is a "mofo".

[Fusion]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

Fusion, how many times have you been banned? Nobody here is a "mofo".

yawn its fine when call people stuff but when i say things tongue in cheek you get sweaty? Once mate.

[Fusion]

I seem to remeber Pimpen saying similar things, even making homosexual remarks, if you dont want me posting I wont.

[DaveyBoy]

mofo = offensive now?

dunno what this forum is comin to, he was clearly joking.

John Scott = admin and he knows it.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Fusion

I seem to remeber Pimpen saying similar things, even making homosexual remarks, if you dont want me posting I wont.

Link to the offending remark?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by DaveyBoy

mofo = offensive now?

dunno what this forum is comin to, he was clearly joking.

John Scott = admin and he knows it.

Mofo = mother ****er. It's not a nice thing to say. I'd like the insults to be more civil.

[Fusion]

Originally Posted by DaveyBoy

mofo = offensive now?

dunno what this forum is comin to, he was clearly joking.

John Scott = admin and he knows it.

Exactly tongue in cheek. Swings and roundabouts.

[evilregis]

While some people may get neurotic about this stuff, is it really so bad to expect proper answers from your government? If it weren't so secretive then people couldn't put such ideas out there. For starters, release the confiscated tapes. If what happened has been documented on the record then surely there is nothing in those tapes that could cause any breach of security.

I just don't see why people who seek answers from their government get labeled a crackpot. There are crackpots out there, sure, but I think it is a citizen's duty to make sure they're being given the truth, even when it hurts and when people start mocking them for doing so, it only enables the government to continue that which fuels the process.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by evilregis

While some people may get neurotic about this stuff, is it really so bad to expect proper answers from your government? If it weren't so secretive then people couldn't put such ideas out there. For starters, release the confiscated tapes. If what happened has been documented on the record then surely there is nothing in those tapes that could cause any breach of security.

Several tapes were released. But you don't want to release too much - could just help them hone their skills.

Originally Posted by evilregis

I just don't see why people who seek answers from their government get labeled a crackpot. There are crackpots out there, sure, but I think it is a citizen's duty to make sure they're being given the truth, even when it hurts and when people start mocking them for doing so, it only enables the government to continue that which fuels the process.

Nobody says that somebody is a crackpot for seeking answers, but when you say that something never happened, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, then yes, that's a crackpot.

[evilregis]

I couldn't agree more. I don't think that there is a lot of question about that, and certainly crockpots exist. I was merely making the point that it seems that that line where someone is that crackpot is getting easier to cross. That people have been made to fear questioning their gov't (not just US) for being labeled a crackpot, or a terrorist, or a left|right wing nut or whatever else. I just think it's getting to be an unhealthy situation.

[Brian]

Brian, which website did you visit?

I didn't bookmark it.