Bush in the lead - Page 7

Atom · 11-04-2004, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by southnow

We're stopping people from living with liberty and pursuing happiness?

That's correct! And yer wona them warped southerners too, ain'tchee!

**South** · 11-04-2004, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Atom

That's correct! And yer wona them warped southerners too, ain'tchee!

Yesireee Bob! Eyuk Eyuk Eyuk Eyuk! And dadblamed insensitive too takin' dat dar liburtee frum folks

Atom · 11-04-2004, 10:42 PM

Hey wanna hear a good one...

..yesterday some kid down in Huntsville crashed a full size SUV through a set of double doors at his high school, drove through the halls, and crashed out another set of double doors at the other end. LOLOL!

He then crashed it through a neighbors greenhouse and came to rest crashing into a fence.

**South** · 11-04-2004, 10:54 PM

How old was the kid?

docquesting · 11-04-2004, 10:56 PM

Some kid must have got mad at his school and when he graduated and joined the army he thought time for revenge. lol.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...school_strafed

Ok then to be serious mistakes always happen even to the best. Military bases should be off in the middle of nowhere.

P.s And yes me a good ole southern boy to so be careful what you say.

Atom · 11-04-2004, 10:57 PM

I think they said he was either 17 or 19, I forget which... no one was hurt of course or I wouldn't be laughing but, can you imagine?... Crazy kids! lol

Over $30,000 damage to the vehicle alone they said. lol

Atom · 11-04-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

P.s And yes me a good ole southern boy to so be careful what you say.

Warped I tell thee, WARPED!!!

Wow that's pretty wild, somebody is gonna get courtmarshalled for that one! And that's right up there in US of C, too!

Rivux · 11-05-2004, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by southnow

We're stopping people from living with liberty and pursuing happiness?

If happiness is being married to someone of the same sex, then yes people are stopping it. I don't remmeber any stipulation that said you are only allowed to pursue happiness if you meet such and such requirement, or did I skip the important part?

Atom · 11-05-2004, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivux

If happiness is being married to someone of the same sex, then yes people are stopping it.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this, Rivux. The US does not stop people of the same sex from pursuing their idea of happiness in the way of marriage. They simply have a law that makes their pursuit extremely difficult. And TBH, I think that some day in the not too distant future, that particular pursuit will be over for them.

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Originally Posted by Rivux

I don't remmeber any stipulation that said you are only allowed to pursue happiness if you meet such and such requirement, or did I skip the important part?

Yes, I am afraid that you did. You skipped the meaning of the word pursue. This is the important part.

Rivux · 11-05-2004, 01:18 AM

I don't follow you Atom, not sure what you are getting at. If the US does not allow same sex marriage, then they are hindering someones pursuit of happiness, its pretty simple. You can argue whether they have the right to do that, but the fact is that 11 states on Tuesday made it illegal for persons of the same sex to be married (or will be passing the bills soon).

I am not arguing that the US should or should not allow gay marriages, but its hypocritical to say that the US is the land of the free and that everyone can pursuit happiness, then put stipulations on it.

So my answer was to Southnows question of "We're stopping people from living with liberty and pursuing happiness?". Yes you do stop people from pursuing happiness, which is fine, but you have to realize it and not try and hide it.

Atom · 11-05-2004, 01:31 AM

Well, I don't know how to explain it any more precisely. Here I've condensed it a bit, maybe that will help.

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Originally Posted by southnow
"We're stopping people from living with liberty and pursuing happiness?"

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Originally Posted by Rivux

If happiness is being married to someone of the same sex, then yes people are stopping it.

Atom quote: "The US does not stop people of the same sex from pursuing their idea of happiness in the way of marriage. They simply have a law that makes their pursuit extremely difficult."

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Originally Posted by Rivux

I don't remmeber any stipulation that said you are only allowed to pursue happiness if you meet such and such requirement, or did I skip the important part?

Atom quote: "Yes, I am afraid that you did. You skipped the meaning of the word pursue. This is the important part."

Rivux · 11-05-2004, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Atom

The US does not stop people of the same sex from pursuing their idea of happiness in the way of marriage. They simply have a law that makes their pursuit extremely difficult.

Many states make it impossible to pursue it, if by extremely difficult you mean its still possible because they could just move to a new state and get married, well thats going to change as soon as Bush gets settled and bans it outright.

Atom · 11-05-2004, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivux

Many states make it impossible to pursue it, if by extremely difficult you mean its still possible because they could just move to a new state and get married, well thats going to change as soon as Bush gets settled and bans it outright.

"Many states make it impossible to pursue it".

No state makes it impossible to pursue it.

"..if by extremely difficult you mean its still possible because they could just move to a new state and get married.."

No, I do not mean still possible because they could just move to a new state, I mean still possible to pursue it because there are no laws against pursuing it.

Once again, you need to understand the meaning of the word "pursue", this is the important part. Believe it or not, the word happiness is not the important part, the word pursue is. If you truly understood that, this particular argument would cease, and we could move on to the next argument.

I did not choose the word pursue, but I understand it's meaning and why our forefathers chose it.

Rivux · 11-05-2004, 01:54 AM

Thanks for that little lexture Atom, very nice of you. For the record, I understand what the word pursue means, I don't agree with how you are using it here though. Maybe you could explain to me how someone can pursue marraige when its illegal in their state? Marriage isn't actually a pursuit, its an end result, you are either married or you are not, there is no 'part way there' status.

Atom · 11-05-2004, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivux

Thanks for that little lexture Atom, very nice of you. For the record, I understand what the word pursue means, I don't agree with how you are using it here though. Maybe you could explain to me how someone can pursue marraige when its illegal in their state? Marriage isn't actually a pursuit, its an end result, you are either married or you are not, there is no 'part way there' status.

I am not lecturing, I am simply trying to get you to understand that these are facts that I am stating and you should agree and move on to more debatable issues. If you do not agree that what I have stated are facts, then we can not move on. I would state the facts again but, frankly, I'm becoming a bit disenchanted and am quite reluctant to state them a third time.

Rivux · 11-05-2004, 02:06 AM

Yes Atom you are stating some things that you believe are facts, I am just asking for further clarification of them, an example if you don't mind. How can somoeone pursue marriage in their state when it's illegal? Since we are talking about the hindering of the 'pursue' aspect, I would like to know how someone can pursue same sex marriage when it is illegal.

Atom · 11-05-2004, 02:13 AM

They can vote for a pro same sex marriage political candidate. And that is just one of the ways of pursuing their goal. I honestly thought that facts like this would be obvious to you.

Rivux · 11-05-2004, 02:19 AM

Finally, thank you for explaining what you meant by pursue, because this is where I disagree with your use of the word. By your definition it is impossible to hinder the pursuit of happiness since the mere fight against a law or government is pursuing that goal.

By your logic, shackling everyone to their house for 20 hours a day isn't hindering the pursuit of happiness as long as that person has the right to vote every 4 years. Using your logic as long as the government stops short of killing people they aren't hindering them (even then you could argue in reincarnation in which case they aren't hindering them at all).

Atom · 11-05-2004, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivux

Finally, thank you for explaining what you meant by pursue, because this is where I disagree with your use of the word. By your definition it is impossible to hinder the pursuit of happiness since the mere fight against a law or government is pursuing that goal.

By your logic, shackling everyone to their house for 20 hours a day isn't hindering the pursuit of happiness as long as that person has the right to vote every 4 years. Using your logic as long as the government stops short of killing people they aren't hindering them (even then you could argue in reincarnation in which case they aren't hindering them at all).

You mince words, Rivux ..

I do not.

You've put words in my mouth.

I've not put words in your mouth.