Creationism taught in school? - Page 6

**John Scott** · 11-07-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivux

In all of the public schools that I went to 3 in total they all played morning prayers over the PA. You had the choice to go into the hall and not listen to it (well you sitll could but it was their way of getting out of the situation). I grew up in southwestern and central Ontario.

Not right for a public school to officially sanction one religion, IMO.

Rivux · 11-07-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

P.s Rivvux its a fact.

Oh well if you say it is then I've got to believe it, sorry for ever doubting you. I have to start making up sympathy cards for the billions who were wrong this whole time, this could be a great little cottage industry. Wonder if YourGodDoesntExist.com is available.

docquesting · 11-07-2004, 09:25 PM

auctully it is lol check this

https://registrar.godaddy.com/regist...5Fdom%5Fsearch

**John Scott** · 11-07-2004, 09:26 PM

Riv, why are you so upset over somebody believing something different from you?

Atom · 11-07-2004, 09:28 PM

Nope.... there's a .biz and a .info available though.

littleFella · 11-07-2004, 09:28 PM

Good answers to my questions,I stand corrected wherever applicable. However, the one below is not so:

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Originally Posted by dave conz

"if the Universe did have a beginning, then there was a time when it didn't exist."
According to conventional science this is not true. Time is an integral part of this Universe, just like the other three dimensions (hence the term "spacetime"). Asking what happened before the Universe was created is like asking where a road went before it was made.

I'm sure you're familiar with some of Einstein's theories, especialy relativity and its implications on the notion of time, but I'm not sure what you mean by "conventional science". The science which proposes BB certainly does not allow time to exist outside space. It is either a part of space-time, or it doesn't exist at all. Therefore the physical (including time) could not exist before BB.

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Originally Posted by dave conz

I'd love to stay involved in this thread but I need to bow out. Got a trip away to plan. Have fun kids, this is a good thread

Have a good trip.

docquesting · 11-07-2004, 09:29 PM

I think I mentioned before that you can (know) that there is (God).
The rest are just beliefs.

evilregis · 11-07-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Not right for a public school to officially sanction one religion, IMO.

Agreed. That was my point. I went to a Catholic school from K-8 so obviously prayer and religion were part of the day, but I was quite shocked on my first day of high school in a public school to hear Catholic prayers over the P.A. each morning.

I was no longer very interested in the Catholicism at that point, became very disenchanted with it long before that, but it was high school where I decided that I no longer wished to practice and decided to start attending public school. I felt bad for my friends who were of other faiths. It was as though they were endorsing that religion and that religion alone.

Rivux · 11-07-2004, 09:29 PM

haha Im not upset, I keep forgetting to put smilies in there, but they ruin my wonderful dry humour. Maybe I will just start putting HEYOH!'s at the end of all my messages.

As for someone not believe something I don't I have no issue with that, but I find it funny as hell that someone can say "There is only one God, thats a fact" and believe it blindly. I wish people could see me sitting here just pissing myself laughing at his posts, I find them utterly amusing. Angry is the farthest emotion from me right now.

docquesting · 11-07-2004, 09:30 PM

Rivvux I just stated that you can know. Not just beleive.

Rivux · 11-07-2004, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

Rivvux I just stated that you can know. Not just beleive.

How do I know? I obviously don't know right now, is there a class I can attend, maybe some home school material? I've read the bible and that didn't prove anything to me. I don't doubt that you feel as though you know for a fact that there is only one God. But for those that don't know, any way of showing the rest of us without saying "its the truth and you have to believe". I am just looking for some solid evidence, thats all.

If ya want to place a HEYOH after the home school comment you can, but that is just so blatant of a joke that I didn't think it was necessary, but it seems some people don't get my humour so I will have footnotes for all my posts from now on. I would hate for people to misunderstand me.

ehman · 11-07-2004, 09:38 PM

There is no way for us to prove the existance or non-existance of god, or that of multiple gods and godesses.

Lack of evidence of existance of god does not equal evidence of non-existance. On the other hand just because its written in a very old book which you consider to be sacred does not make it true.

Arguing about it is pretty pointless.

docquesting · 11-07-2004, 09:40 PM

Hey Riv I knew you didnt mean any harm on that one lol.

But if you could come to one of my church services you could know for youself. We are not (a relegion) but a group of what you would call apostolic pentecostals that go by what the Bible does says and not by any certain relegion. In fact 100% of any relegions would call us crasy but that besides the point.

I just wish you really gain that fact you are searching for. I think coming to one of my services you could know as I have and experiance Gods' presence in your life.

Ehman I will always say you can know. And also prove.

Atom · 11-07-2004, 09:43 PM

I think you should take up a collection in your church to pay for Rivux's trip and lodging etc..., Doc.

Would that be ok, Riv?

evilregis · 11-07-2004, 09:45 PM

I don't think it's out of the question that there is, in fact, one God. However... that God is perceived by each person differently. There are stark differences, but are they really that different? The underlying theme to just about any religion is to be good to people.

There is one Rivux. There is one docquesting (THANK GOD!

jk dude! Honest.). Yet I may see Rivux and doc differently than say their other friends/family do. That doesn't mean I'm wrong, or that there are two Rivux's/doc's. It's just a different opinion of who they are.

Rivux · 11-07-2004, 09:45 PM

Whats the weather like in Georgia right now? Its kind of crappy here in southwestern ontario, I could use some sun and fun. I could make it a road trip, maybe pick up some people on the way there. It could be a v7n get together at Docs church.

**John Scott** · 11-07-2004, 09:46 PM

I believe that you can know there is a God from looking around. The trees, the animals, etc. All bear the evidence of a great engineer.

evilregis · 11-07-2004, 09:51 PM

I'm most inclined to believe in a God for the same reasons... especially when I look into space on a clear moonless night (guys, feel free to use that line on a chick... or a dude if that's yer thing. Whichever.). It's quite incredible. And tonight I got to see Aurora Borealis for the first time in about a decade. Amazing to see. Anyone in the area (Michigan, New York, Northern Ontario) happen to catch any of that? Not to break the current thread up...

ehman · 11-07-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

I believe that you can know there is a God from looking around. The trees, the animals, etc. All bear the evidence of a great engineer.

No they don't. All that proves is that there are trees, animals, etc around you.

littleFella · 11-07-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ehman

There is no way for us to prove the existance or non-existance of god, or that of multiple gods and godesses.

Lack of evidence of existance of god does not equal evidence of non-existance. On the other hand just because its written in a very old book which you consider to be sacred does not make it true.

Arguing about it is pretty pointless.

I don't think anybody here tried to prove or disprove the existence of god. Some of us merely presented some of our views on why we may believe in what we do, or why we don't believe in it. Hopefully it bacame fairly obvious that even science is to some degree a matter of belief and apriori statements. Such statements are know in religion as dogma. If science is allowed to state a dogma that division by zero is illegal than why wouldn't religious people be allowed their own dogmas. Especially that even math cannot really make up its mind about divison by zero, since in some matematical systems it is quite possible. And that's when one thought that math is so reliable

There is some value in this thread I think. Of course given that anything in this life isn't pointless anyway; including your post