What Destroyed The World Trade Centers?

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Originally Posted by Atom

What really puzzles me though, is where the hell are all the bodies and luggage from the supposed airliner that crashed into the pentagon? They didn't even find blood FFS!

Very odd isn't it? I believe the "official" report states that even though the plane and EVERYTHING in it was vaporized upon impact, all but one body was recovered from the wreckage ...although NO BODIES were ever shown being covered, or being lifted into ambulances, etc.

How can the impact vaporize an entire jetliner, but not the people aboard?

The bodies all mysteriously appeared at a military base hanger elsewhere soon afterwards. I read somewhere that the family members of the people killed never got to view their loved ones bodies, or bury them ...the government "took care of all that" for them.

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Originally Posted by Ferre

Yeah, to be honest, with all the facts that are known by now you have to be a real idiot if you still believe the US government had nothing to do with 9/11.

...OR HIGHLY CORRUPTED.

So what's your point?

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Yeah, to be honest, with all the facts that are known by now you have to be a real idiot if you still believe the US government had nothing to do with 9/11.

...OR HIGHLY CORRUPTED.

Well, TBH I think that I would add unwitting because I'm sure there are plenty of people that are just too busy or w/e to be bothered by the facts and what really happened. So I would have to say that there are probably a certain % of uninformed people for w/e reasons. Not sure what that % would be though.

[gorillaboy]

Originally Posted by Atom

Well, TBH I think that I would add unwitting because I'm sure there are plenty of people that are just too busy or w/e to be bothered by the facts and what really happened.

Yeah, like my dad!

[Atom]

Originally Posted by notepad

I read somewhere that the family members of the people killed never got to view their loved ones bodies, or bury them ...the government "took care of all that" for them.

The truth could take several more years to come out for all I know, but I have a feeling that it will come out on this one.

[Atom]

Too bad there couldn't be like a slew of rich people get together and jack that reward up into the millions!

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by notepad

So what's your point?

Well, when you look at the Bush administration;

Proven facts the past four years:

• Lies (not only to their own people but to the whole world)
• Illegal invasion of another UN member state
• War crimes
• Torture of prisoners
• Illegal imprisonment of people in concentration camps
• Use of illegal weapons (WMD's)
• Most people in prison in the world

Suspect:

• Involvment terrorist attack 9/11 on American people
• Involvment terrorist bombing Spain (and others)
• International Drug trade by CIA
• Election fraude

That's impressive for an administration who claims to "bring freedom and democracy" to the world ain't it?

Are the general American public not aware of these for most people on this earth very disturbing facts? I can assure you most people in this world are aware of this. And worry.

[gorillaboy]

Are the general American public not aware of these for most people on this earth very disturbing facts?

No.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Are the general American public not aware of these for most people on this earth very disturbing facts?

I honestly don't know, or to what degree if they are. All that I know is, I was not aware of any of it to any significant degree until a few months back. I do not follow news and never have, I only pic things up here and there by chance. This is a fact. Since I started getting on a computer 2 1/2+ years ago, I've encountered more news stories than in the whole previous part of my life.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Well, when you look at the Bush administration; ...Are the general American public not aware of these for most people on this earth very disturbing facts? I can assure you most people in this world are aware of this. And worry.

Yes I know Ferre ...my remark was meant as a joke ...as in, sarcasm.



People here in the U.S. aren't idiots, they are not stupid ...they are very patriotic, yet grossly misinformed, willing to speak out, though not leaders, wanting to do something, but overshadowed by the military's might, the anti-constitutional laws and the CIA/FBI activities.

The other sector however, the politicians in Washington, have been bought and paid for, or coerced, threatened, bribed, or blackmailed to go along with the Bush administration. Hey, people are getting killed over here. If a person or a group makes too much "noise", their family, or themselves risk being "removed."

Fear in America controls all thought ...it clouds the citizens judgement. And another thing ...we the people of the United States DID NOT vote George Bush into office. The whole election was rigged ...just like his first one. The American people have been duped, lied to and murdered.

Who do we turn to, what do we do? Will you come and stand with us ...will you come fight these bastards along side us?

What is the answer? ...what is the solution to absolute corruption?

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[Ferre]

We seen that in Germany in the 30's but it's weird to see it happen in America now, you would think that American people learned from the past.

edit. I would not come and fight the internal war against your government for several reasons but I do support the truth to come out notepad and I also do not believe there is a 'political' solution to the intern problems in the US.

history has learned us that you can't vote away a dictatorship.

[cbolts]

Notepad:

If you want to change anything, you have to make a group of like minded individuals. Have facts and figures, try to get your message accross in any media you can. No one else will do it for you, and if you don't the same sorts of things will continue to happen. Jeb will probably "win" the election in 08, and 12. After that there will be a another greedy criminal with new name leading the criminals. Who knows what damage they can do to America by then? Do you want to wait and find out?

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Ferre

I would not come and fight the internal war against your government for several reasons but I do support the truth to come out notepad and I also do not believe there is a 'political' solution to the intern problems in the US.

history has learned us that you can't vote away a dictatorship.

Personally I see a great upheaval of American society coming. Unfortunately, many, many innocent people will pay with their lives against an all powerful force that holds all resources at their disposal ...the military, unlimited finances, TV & the media networks, microbiologists churning out horrible diseases ...and all the new laws being cooked up which enable the gov absolute power to use all of these against us.

There are a few individuals here who do what they can.



Here's a couple of videos with the Jim Walter fella.

http://reopen911.org/news_events.htm


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[cbolts]

Originally Posted by notepad

Personally I see a great upheaval of American society coming. Unfortunately, many, many innocent people will pay with their lives against an all powerful force that holds all resources at their disposal ...the military, unlimited finances, TV & the media networks, microbiologists churning out horrible diseases ...and all the new laws being cooked up which enable the gov absolute power to use all of these against us.
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What they don't have is the masses. For instance if the masses boycotted a certain brand or company that company would suffer horribly. Imagine a nation wide walk out at wal-mart for instance. That would put a lot more bargaining power in to the hands of the employees, taken right from the employer.

Now I'm not as big on just uncovering the facts of the 9-11 commision. You have to ask yourself; why would the US government do this? One, it unites the nation and makes people feel closer to each other (initially). Two, americans have a common enemy to direct this anger towards. Three, the anger has to be directed somewhere ie Iraq, which the bush admin very carefully led people to. Four, they go to war with Iraq they get control of their oil, and oil is what allows the US economy to function. Oil is the fuel that runs an economy it is as valuable as gold and infinite more times useful. Who benifits from a strong economy? Everyone, but the rich REALLY benifit, selling more, lower costs of production mean more green. The bush admin is just a puppet thats strings are pulled by big corperations.

The target of your anger should not just be the 9-11 incident, that is just one thing the bush admin has done in an ongoing war against america. It should be all that they stand for: lies, deception, murder, greed, and complete disregard for human life both american and other. IMHO

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Originally Posted by cbolts

...The target of your anger should not just be the 9-11 incident, that is just one thing the bush admin has done in an ongoing war against america. It should be all that they stand for: lies, deception, murder, greed, and complete disregard for human life both american and other. IMHO

On the contrary, while I can agree that Bush has sold the country out, 911 is the CENTRAL ISSUE by which the Bush administration and his murdering gang of neo cons have been empowered to accomplish all these deeds.

911 is the cornerstone of their ongoing campaign of destruction and corruption. The tragic events of 911 provides safe haven for them to vomit their lies and proclaim danger from more "terrorists."

If the truth of 911 can be realized by the people, if just 10% of Americans become aware that the highest echelons of their government, that traitors within the loftiest ranks of their leaders were complicit in mass murder in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania in 2001, then by that knowledge only can the firestorm that is needed for a sweeping change ever take place.

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[Ferre]

Yep, there is that certain point that everyone knows as stepping "over the line". America is stepping over the line of what is right, decent and human in a horrifying way and if no one stops them they'll do a lot more damage to our planet and the people on it.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Yep, there is that certain point that everyone knows as stepping "over the line". America is stepping over the line of what is right, decent and human in a horrifying way and if no one stops them they'll do a lot more damage to our planet and the people on it.

Surely you mean "America" generally speaking, ie the Gov, the CIA/FBI, Bush crime family, etc.

It would be absurd to classify ALL Americans as being corrupt, indecent, inhumane, or unable to know right from wrong ...any more than you could say that about any people anywhere.

I believe the most difficult task at hand is that of forgiveness ...people forgiving themselves for allowing Bush and his criminal cohorts to get us all involved in this war on Iraq and Afghanistan ...Americans have become unwitting conspirators in the most horrible of atrocities ...to admit that the administration was wrong is to confess to the same sins themselves.

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