What Destroyed The World Trade Centers? - Page 11

Ferre · 02-18-2005, 12:51 PM

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Still, our country has been overthrown by a gang of powerful criminals; we are helpless against them. Hitler has enacted far reaching laws which the average man doesn't even realize has robbed him of his rights.

Deja vu. All you need to change is the names. It's sad times we're living in.

gorillaboy · 02-18-2005, 01:27 PM

People are too concerened with reality TV shows and **** like that.

notepad · 02-18-2005, 01:40 PM

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People are too concerened with reality TV shows and **** like that.

...the best entertained, yet most ignorant humanoids around?

Please Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along ...I won't do anything wrong!

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Atom · 02-18-2005, 05:51 PM

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I say and mean "America" in exactly the same intention and meaning as during WW2 people would refer to "Germany".

During the nazi regime not all Germans agreed with Hitler but still it was "Germany" who invaded Poland, and many other countries, it wasn't a solo action from one person called Hitler, just as the crimes committed now by the American government are not solo actions of Bush.

What people here in Holland after ww2 found to be the most irritating about the Germans was the German people's excuse "wir haben es night gewust" (We didn't know.)

Cheap way of washing their hands in innocence

Sounds familiar?

Ferre,

Your negative references at an entire nation smacks of national racism, and does not help our cause. It is thanks to national racism being so prevalent before I was even born, that to this very day, my initial feeling is one of negativity when I even hear the word German or Germany. I am forced to squelch this residual negative programing every time the name of this country or it's citizens are even mentioned. This, my friend, is not good. National racism is a disgusting attribute for a person to possess, and ONLY sows discord among the people of this earth. We need to work together as citizens of the human race, not seperately as citizens of a certain country. AMERICA IS NOT THE ENEMY, NOR ARE HER PEOPLE. GERMANY WAS NOT THE ENEMY, NOR WERE HER PEOPLE.

The American government has many titles, Ferre. Please use them and lose the national racism. I know that it irks you to listen to patriotic Americans being patriotic, it does some here too, but if you are wise, you will completely overlook this and focus totally on their dilemma, and the worlds, AND NOT ON THEM. Americans are PEOPLE FIRST, and Americans second. Never allow yourself to lose sight of this extremely important fact. This holds true for every nationality on this planet. They are all PEOPLE FIRST, even though many do not treat them as such.

And do not think for a moment, that I or many people here that have been observing your tactics, do not see the psychology you are attempting to employ. It is flawed, Ferre. And please do not give us the I like Americans and have American friends speech. It makes you look rather foolish, honestly. Please listen to me and stop hindering the cause. Lets work together by focusing on the meaningful facts of the important issues at hand, and leave the sowing of discord to the evil ones. I do not believe that you are evil. Just that your rationale in this respect is flawed, and consequently does harm to all people, and not just this cause. National racism is inherently evil, and has only negative effect on mankind.

I hope that we can truly work together on this. Do you think that we can, bro?

Atom · 02-18-2005, 06:58 PM

I was just looking in the dictionary and it seems the word I should have used is bigot/bigotry, not national racism. Please accept my apology and substitute that phrase I used. I don't even know if there is such a phrase as national racism, it's just what came to mind.

Atom · 02-18-2005, 07:41 PM

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You have to ask yourself; why would the US government do this? One, it unites the nation and makes people feel closer to each other (initially). Two, americans have a common enemy to direct this anger towards. Three, the anger has to be directed somewhere ie Iraq, which the bush admin very carefully led people to. Four, they go to war with Iraq they get control of their oil, and oil is what allows the US economy to function. Oil is the fuel that runs an economy it is as valuable as gold and infinite more times useful. Who benifits from a strong economy? Everyone, but the rich REALLY benifit, selling more, lower costs of production mean more green. The bush admin is just a puppet thats strings are pulled by big corperations.

Right. I agree. I know that Notepad wants to stick to just WTC issues but, I just want to comment on this very briefly. The real problem are these 10 or so international financiers. I think that two of them are Americans. They are the ones fueling this whole rotten mess.

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The target of your anger should not just be the 9-11 incident, that is just one thing the bush admin has done in an ongoing war against america. It should be all that they stand for: lies, deception, murder, greed, and complete disregard for human life both american and other. IMHO

True. But I think that I agree with Notepad in that we need to address this WTC issue in the hopes that fact will be the stepping stone to eventual higher wisdom reguarding the controllers, the actual cause of the problems. Considering certain circumstances such as wide spread confusion, misinformation, denial, ignorance etc, I think he is going about it the right way.

Ferre · 02-18-2005, 08:23 PM

Well Atom, I agree with you mostly but what you should understand about my intentions when I use words as "America invaded..." etc. I do this on purpose but not with the intentions you think I have.

My intentions are to shake up the ones who feel insulted, sometimes it needs some emotions to start working before people start to use their brains, I don't mind if there are people who think I hate America as long as I get them to think about it.

The US administration is telling the American public that they are all superheros and that the world loves them for bringing "freedom and democracy", They tell the public that they are under attack and that there are "terrorists" out there that "want to destroy America" because they "hate our freedoms".

According to the polls half of the Americans are convinced that the government is doing the right thing in the outside world, that would be how many people reading this topic? Yep, I hope to give those people some truth, "At present times" Americans are looked upon as they are because there are still people in the world who believe that inhabitants of a country that has a voting system are responcible for their government, at least that is what we learn here in Europe.

Funny btw that the US population is more concearned about presidents who get a blowjob than with presidents who lie, cheat, start illegal wars, get cought keeping concentration camps with torturing going on and ruin the country and its image.

Don't take it personal Atom, it's not, it's political.

Atom · 02-18-2005, 08:36 PM

I think that you are basically a good person with good intentions, but you are bigoted at times and this really shows, and it only hurts the situation in every way, and helps in no way what-so-ever, IMO. I do not consider you a bigot. But I do believe that your emotions can get the best of you at times and that's when I think that this bigotry character rears it's ugly head. I do not expect you to be perfect, only to just give this some thought here, Ferre, that's all.

Ferre, I like you, and that is because I see a lot of honest good in you. I am really not taking it personally, but am taking it for all the people I know that it will polarize in the wrong direction, that being a direction that I know we both agree upon as the wrong one. So I hope that you are not thinking that I am taking this personal in the strict sense.

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Funny btw that the US population is more concearned about presidents who get a blowjob than with presidents who lie, cheat, start illegal wars, get cought keeping concentration camps with torturing going on and ruin the country and its image.

Yeah what was it, $600,000 for WTC and 6 mil for the blowjob scandal? I forget but, it was just unbefuknlievable.

However, I do have one question for you concerning this statement, Ferre quote:"Funny btw that the US population is more concearned about presidents who get a blowjob than with presidents who..."

how do you know this?

Atom · 02-18-2005, 09:10 PM

One other question too. Do you think that the "US population" had to ok the funds that were appropriated to investigate.. say .. the Monica Lewinski/Presidential scandal?

Ferre · 02-18-2005, 10:09 PM

Well, I can't answer that for you Atom, All I know is how it should be when all the intern US and internatinal laws are respected.

As I understood there are communication paths between congressmen and their voters and ways implemented in the US constitution to actively influence politics from the bottom up, like in any other western democratic culture.

maybe this is a useful tool, I know many of our members at THC Ministry use it.

http://www.peacegeek.com/

littleFella · 02-18-2005, 10:46 PM

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One other question too. Do you think that the "US population" had to ok the funds that were appropriated to investigate.. say .. the Monica Lewinski/Presidential scandal?

I'm not sure where you're heading with this, but I don't think Lewinski/Clinton should even be called a scandal. There were two adult people who did what they felt they wanted to do. A blowjob, even in the "oral" office doesn't even come close in its implications to many other real scandals funded by the taxpayers' money. SOme of these scandals we know about, some we don't some we suspect occurred.

My take is that the conservatives went too far investigating the blowjobgate. That investigation is what people should protest against. An utter waste of money and a diversion of public attention from far more important issues such as... alQeada. It is pretty obvious that whatever Clinton wanted to do abroad (such as bombing some targets in Afghanistan) would have been taken as his attempt to draw people's attention away from his private affair. In that, Mr. Starr did far more harm to the US than 1000 Monicas ever could.

You may also consider the fact that it's easier to wash away some sperm than blood.

Ferre · 02-18-2005, 11:01 PM

Scandals? Say if in a western democratic country a journalist would reveal that the secret services are trading cocaine on a huge scale with the help from prominent politicians and this journalist would be found dead with TWO shots in his head from a 38special and the official statement is that the man committed suicide, well, that would be a scandal and in any country there would be an official investigation into the secret services, the cocaine trade and the journalists dead.

Sorry, off topic.

Atom · 02-18-2005, 11:23 PM

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I'm not sure where you're heading with this ...

I reached my destination before you posted, so I can honestly say, nowhere. My question was answered.

Atom · 02-18-2005, 11:30 PM

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.. in any country there would be an official investigation into the secret services, the cocaine trade and the journalists dead.

I respectfully disagree. I would, however, be inclined to agree that there should be.

littleFella · 02-18-2005, 11:39 PM

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I reached my destination before you posted, so I can honestly say, nowhere. My question was answered.

oh well, so I goofed

Atom · 02-18-2005, 11:43 PM

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oh well, so I goofed

Nah, you didn't .. I'm just messin' with you guys.

I should spin some tunes or something. Getting whacky here.

Or cut down on the coffee, maybe. I've got to be somewhere around 15 cups so far since I got up around 3pm. lol