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View Poll Results: What caused the WTC buildings to fall?
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faulty, poor grade construction steel
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jet airliners crashing into the towers
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subsequent fires weakening the structures
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a combination of airliners crashing & the fires
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a bomb or missile attached to the plane(s)
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combination of all of the above
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angry UFO alien death ray beam
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strategically placed demolition charges
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02-27-2005, 10:43 AM
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The majority of the the people in the US have no idea that there's even the suggestion that something other than an airplane hit the Pentagon.
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02-27-2005, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferre
Check out this shockwave video file of a clip from CNN coverage on the morning of 9/11. CNN reporter Jamie McIntyre says he inspected the Pentagon site and it is obvious no plane crashed there.
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Excellent Find!!!
...the video shows how in the early moments following the Pentagon attack even the U.S. propaganda networks were actually reporting the real story!
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02-27-2005, 12:34 PM
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That was before the news channels were told what "really" happened.
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02-27-2005, 01:07 PM
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The 9-11 Truth Movement Rises Up
As more documents concerning 9-11 surfaces, it is becoming increasing clear the top officials in the Bush administration were at least complicit if not an active participants in the attacks. There is enough evidence now to bind George W. Bush, big oil companies and 9-11 into a trinity of evil.
The credibility of the Bush Administration has plunged, as new euphemisms for lying are tested by the mainstream press to explain their failure to describe reality in a timely fashion. Cheney believes what Napoleon once articulated, "You don't have to suppress the truth forever, just until it doesn't matter anymore."
9-11 is the defining crime of the century, a crime used as a pretext for imperial wars, the gutting of the Constitution, the attack on the Bill of Rights, to kickstart a "Shadow Government," and that is being used now to rush through sweeping legislation designed to expand "the National Security State,"( the CIA established in 1947) into a "Global Security State."
The official narrative of what happened on September 11th, 2001 has been reinforced and rarely questioned by the media. Those who weren't surprised, shocked, terrified, traumatized, by the events that day, however, found the official narrative difficult to believe, and a 9-11 truth movement was born.
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02-27-2005, 01:17 PM
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Wilbur Carp: "The USA is diminishing to the extent that it's like watching an animated Hallmark Moment from the Twilight Zone."
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"...There is NO network newscast that can be trusted anymore. ZERO. TV is DOA..."
...read more > > CNN 'DEBUNKS' 911 THEORIES
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02-27-2005, 02:56 PM
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The enemy is inside the gates
Bush Jokes While New York Burns
I watched the now infamous Pet Goat video and found it was much worse than I originally thought. I turned my volume all the way up and listened several times. Our "President" was, in fact, telling jokes just minutes after being told our country was under attack.
...are you listening ...knowing we're under attack, he tells jokes!
I submit, what is so damned funny Mr. "President"?
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02-27-2005, 03:15 PM
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The official story of a plane crashing into the pentagon isn't very official now, is it.
Oh, well .. I'm sure they've got a perfectly reasonable explanation for that particular lie. Oh but I suppose that's a secret ... you know, national security and all.... yeah, that's it. Us common folk probably wouldn't understand anyway.

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02-27-2005, 05:00 PM
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Can someone.. anyone just tell me what they think happened at the Pentagon then during Sept 11th? Cause if a plane didn't crash into it.. what actually happened?
I couldn't view those videos, so I'm completely in the dark here having only heard the official story as told by Aussie News Presenters.
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02-27-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by notepad
I turned my volume all the way up and listened several times. Our "President" was, in fact, telling jokes just minutes after being told our country was under attack.
...are you listening ...knowing we're under attack, he tells jokes!
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well, in a way he did the right thing. If he were to be somber then people would say he was dishonest and accuse him of hypocrisy. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.
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02-27-2005, 05:36 PM
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NO, he didn't do the right thing!
The right thing would have been to get the F. outta the school and work on defending our country. He was worried about confusing twenty little kids? What a goof!
Not that I think he's capable of making good...even rational decisions.
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02-27-2005, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ash
Can someone.. anyone just tell me what they think happened at the Pentagon then during Sept 11th? Cause if a plane didn't crash into it.. what actually happened?
I couldn't view those videos, so I'm completely in the dark here having only heard the official story as told by Aussie News Presenters.
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Depends on the source ...some say a missile, others say a Global Hawk, many think it was a planted bomb together with a projectile.
I wasn't there, however, considering all the proof, one thing is certain ...a large 757 passenger jet did not hit the Pentagon then vaporize into thin air.
Read more > > Analysis of the Pentagon Crash
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02-27-2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by littleFella
well, in a way he did the right thing. If he were to be somber then people would say he was dishonest and accuse him of hypocrisy. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!
Sorry, but you couldn't be more incorrect ...Bush pretended to be totally innocent and unaware of any 911 plot by virtue of his association with the school children.
..."gee, what a nice president, even when people are dying by the thousands, our fearless leader can always postpone defending our country to read a little story book to kids."
In reality, the Secret Service's primary job (especially not knowing the extent of the attack) would have been to protect the president ...whisk him away from the building to safe quarters immediately ...especially since the "president's" location had been publicized in advance.
The bush admin has said the prez stayed in the school after hearing of the bombings 'cause he didn't want to upset the children by leaving abruptly.
What an incredible lie ...you can be sure that neither the Secret Service, nor gw bush give a rat's a*s about offending children or anyone else. Are Secret Service agents trained to protect the prez only when it doesn't mean scaring children?
Of course not. The facts indicate that they knew bush was in no real danger ...because he/they were complicit in the attacks.
Hello ...anybody in there?
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02-28-2005, 12:55 AM
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I firmly believe that our president was well aware of what was going down with that first whisper into his ear that day, and knew what was about to go down months in advance. Folks I'm no conspiracy theorist, I'm just an average guy. Really.
But I am not stupid, and I am not afraid to state what I believe is truth no matter the consequences, especially on issues I feel are important.
Nope, I don't have a wife and beautiful children and nice house and great job or business to protect, nor do I even have any of what is commonly considered hope for the future.
Maybe that is why.
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02-28-2005, 01:23 AM
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If you are concerned about the truth on these issues search honestly for it, and it will eventually find you. If not, just look the other way. I can't tell you what the truth is, but I can tell you that if you choose to look the other way, it will probably eventually find you anyway.
Funny thing about truth I've noticed, it seems to constantly give you chances to face it, and we simply make choices to do so or not. It's like it's an actual entity that truly exists.
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02-28-2005, 06:48 PM
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Jet's black boxes found ...or not?
There are conflicting reports about the black box flight recorders from 911 being found.
Boeing Flight Recorders
A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to “keep my mouth shut” about one of the “black boxes” a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.
Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four “black boxes” among the WTC rubble before January 2002.
The pair first claimed in an August 2003 book entitled Behind the Scene: Ground Zero to have found the data recorders.
DeMasi said the “black boxes” were found while he traversed “ground zero” in his all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with three federal agents.
FBI and New York fire officials have denied ever finding the voice and data recorders.
Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret. “They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,” recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi’s ATV. “I said, ‘Give me a good reason.’ When they couldn’t, I told them I wouldn’t shut up about it.
“Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It’s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.”
Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the “black boxes.” He said there were several other witnesses and said he knows they have been silenced by federal agents.
“I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,” said Bellone. “They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.”
The day the “black boxes” were secretly carted away, agents acted like “something big was going down,” he added.
Bellone said he never learned the FBI agents’ names as this type of personal contact and information wasn’t exchanged between the civilian workers and government officials working side-by-side at ground zero.
“They had on their FBI jackets, but I’m sure I could pick them out of a lineup or recognize their pictures,” said Bellone.
The pair’s bombshell accusations blow a big hole in the official story as well as the findings in the recent 9-11 commission report.
read more > > 9-11 Black Boxes Found
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03-02-2005, 01:06 PM
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40 years of covert penetration into the Executive Branch
Many people are astonished by all the evidence pertaining to 911 and wonder why nothing is being done ...why aren't the real perps brought to justice ...how could this happen in the United States? ...how can America's leaders, its military men, congressmen and women, its senators, the media and a whole line-up of professionals collectively endorse lies and take an active part in covering up for those really responsible for 911?
The answer is: through fear, intimidation, blackmail and murder. Anyone challenging the dictatorship and absolute authority being postured by the Bush admin are quickly reminded of their past guilt, their sexual indiscretions, or any money/bribes they may have accepted for favors, etc. ...anything that could destroy a career, or bring unbearable shame.
People who are in a position to expose the real truth about 911 are (1) bribed into silence, (2) threatened with physical harm, (3) held in check via blackmail, or (4) murdered.
George H. W. Bush, Sr. discovered long ago during his tenure as CIA director that one of the most effective tools for controlling congress and our military's leaders was to coerce the individual into committing deviant sexual acts with children (no matter how seemingly harmless the act) then use that indiscretion against them ...forever.
In fact, the political culture we are witnessing today is the culmination of 40 years of covert penetration into the Executive Branch.
To further substantiate these claims, watch and hear the wife of a Colonel in the U.S. Military describe in her own words how these sick bastards, the controllers in Washington, the CIA, even college fraternities are using these very tactics to lead the nation into darkness, death and despair.
Watch a summary of the 8 hour interview of Kay Griggs
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03-02-2005, 06:35 PM
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Remote piloting of the planes
The introduction of autopilots and landing guidance systems during the last three decades layered one 'control system' over the earlier manual ones, an electronic layer capable of manipulating the hydraulics directly and thus flying a jet plane on its own.
In the 757- and 767-series planes boarded by "the hijackers," Boeing expanded this layer enormously, making it much more sophisticated and integral to the continuous operation of these planes. For one thing, it continuously monitors such things as attitude, acceleration, turn rates, etc., and if necessary can assert exclusive control of the hydraulics at any time, modifying or even overriding pilot decisions that would otherwise result in drastic maneuvers, inappropriate for passenger service.
Though meant to provide an added margin of safety in the event of gross pilot error, this arrangement introduces an ominous new dimension: in a very real sense, the humans on the flight deck have only tenuous control of flaps, rudder, etc.; the computer, the arbiter between the two, allows them direct control only on it's own immutable terms.
If the computer can override the pilot some of the time, a potential exists for it to override the pilot ALL of the time. In other words, the advancing dependency on avionic interfaces has brought with it an advancing potential for the total electronic co-optation of those interfaces.
As they have grown exponentially in complexity, so too has the number of entry points by which such co-optation might be effected. All that was needed was for technologists to devise a "back door"...
Enter the US government and its defense contractors, who began joint development of remote flight control and flight circumvention technology at least two decades ago, using the full force of their virtually infinite R&D resources. The existence of these programs, and of the resulting technology, was verified soon after 9-11 by a panel of commercial and military pilots participating in an independent inquiry.
The existence of such technology IN ANY FORM raises intriguing questions/possibilities about 9-11.
Photographic evidence and eye-witness accounts support the idea that the override functionality of the planes' computers was somehow defeated, allowing "the hijackers" to make prohibited maneuvers. For example, there are multiple photographs and video clips showing AA Flight 175 making an outrageously hard turn into the second tower.
However distasteful, there is a real possibility that remote circumvention occurred on those planes, a possibility that any credible investigation would hardly ignore. All the more so because the necessary hardware isn't just a cockamamie theory ...a fully developed, totally programmable remote flight control platform actually exists. Suggestively named the "Flight Termination System," it is manufactured by Systems Planning Corporation of Rosslyn, Virginia, which maintains web pages devoted to the FTS and various subsystems:
System Overview: - http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS
The transmitter hardware: - http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/CTS
It's important to note that the CEO of Systems Planning's (the flight termination company noted above) international division, Dov Zakheim, is a long-time DoD and Republican Party insider, and a founding member of the Neoconservative cult.
While Bush was still Governor of Texas, Zakheim became one of his closest advisers, counseling him on defense technology and strategic aspects of Middle Eastern affairs. After the 2000 "election," Rummy rewarded Zakheim with a low-profile but strategically important position -- Comptroller, i.e. head money man, of the Defense Department.
Zakheim also co-authored the Heritage Foundation's infamous tract, "Rebuilding America's Defenses", in which the Bush Administration's entire design for renewed global conquest was laid down a full year prior to 9-11. On page 63, the authors note that timely implementation of their ideas would require "some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."
All sound too fantastic to believe?
...most people simply don't have the guts to go there.
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03-04-2005, 03:56 PM
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