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View Poll Results: What caused the WTC buildings to fall?
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faulty, poor grade construction steel
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jet airliners crashing into the towers
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subsequent fires weakening the structures
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a combination of airliners crashing & the fires
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combination of all of the above
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angry UFO alien death ray beam
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strategically placed demolition charges
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03-05-2005, 03:41 PM
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This is really some subject to think about. 
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03-05-2005, 03:43 PM
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This is really some subject to think about. 
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True. This insanity has got to stop before we all end up eating radioactive veggies.
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03-05-2005, 03:47 PM
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Yeah, was posted at exactly 3:11pm for me. A personal message for Stephen, perhaps? Observant of him, at any rate. At least he's not 'asleep'.
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...really ...it is strange huh.
Hey Atom, what do you think about the page I built to write Congress about 911? (see sig) ...any suggestions?
...since the media doesn't seem to be getting the message, do ya think I should create a page for people to contact the TV networks, radio & newspaper channels also? (about 911)
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03-05-2005, 03:50 PM
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Yes it is ...what are your thoughts? ...did you vote?
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03-05-2005, 03:58 PM
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Hey Atom, what do you think about the page I built to write Congress about 911? (see sig) ...any suggestions?
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Well, TBH I think that real change can only occurr if the jugular is gone after directly, but it's better than nothing.
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...since the media doesn't seem to be getting the message, do ya think I should create a page for people to contact the TV networks, radio & newspaper channels also? (about 911)
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Yes.
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03-05-2005, 04:03 PM
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Well, TBH I think that real change can only occurr if the jugular is gone after directly, but it's better than nothing.
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I'd be very interested in hearing how you propose we do that.
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03-05-2005, 04:05 PM
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I'd be very interested in hearing how you propose we do that.
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Me too.
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03-05-2005, 04:15 PM
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How the hell to get honest answers out of people so powerful that they need not give them?
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03-05-2005, 04:29 PM
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Things people can do right now
I can think of about a thousand options for American citizens to protest the 911 crime perpetrated against them ...here's a few right off the bat.
Hit 'em where it counts ...in their ass $$$pocket
* Boycott the corporations and products which wreak havoc upon our environment, hurt people, or which are deemed detrimental to our economy
* Withdraw all funds from large, networked banks & start banking at small, community banks
* Do not invest, or do business with companies that made political donations to the Bush campaign
* Soldiers must refuse to fight in illegal wars against Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, N. Korea ...or against any other innocent country targeted by the neocons in Washington
* Educate yourself about the 911 coup of this government (unrealized by the masses), become aware of what big gov is really doing and tell others
* Start using "less" ...instead of wasteful excess; be more conservation minded and look for alternative, independent ways to provide for yourself
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03-05-2005, 05:07 PM
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People (and our government) will only treat you how you let them treat you. Too many citizens only whine, complain and criticize ...never actually doing anything about anything.
It's like arguing with the wake behind a boat and blaming it for the direction you're heading.
Those Americans who advocate change need to collectively stand together and act in a united front ...that is, short of mass civil disobedience.
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03-05-2005, 09:37 PM
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I think as long as the economy doesn't tank* people wil continue to not give a F. about stuff like this./
*Could be soon actually. The only thing saving us the last four years has been consumer confidence.
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03-05-2005, 10:15 PM
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I think as long as the economy doesn't tank* people wil continue to not give a F. about stuff like this./
*Could be soon actually. The only thing saving us the last four years has been consumer confidence.
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What are your suggestions for people to implement a positive change in America?
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03-05-2005, 10:19 PM
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What are your suggestions for people to implement a positive change in America?
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Bring awareness as entertainment. wrap the truth in spectacular shows, glamour and exitement.
Serious.
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03-05-2005, 10:20 PM
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What are your suggestions for people to implement a positive change in America?
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I have no faith in "the people" so I don't really have any suggestions.
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03-05-2005, 10:40 PM
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Bring awareness as entertainment. wrap the truth in spectacular shows, glamour and exitement.
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I can see your point, however, even though I too once thought this would be a qualified form of information delivery, I now think this would cause such information to only be received as entertainment ...and not taken seriously.
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03-05-2005, 10:45 PM
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I have no faith in "the people" so I don't really have any suggestions.
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Do you have faith in yourself ...in your own abilities?
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03-05-2005, 11:01 PM
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I can see your point, however, even though I too once thought this would be a qualified form of information delivery, I now think this would cause such information to only be received as entertainment ...and not taken seriously.
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Well, from where I see it these are exactly the methods that are being used already by the government&company to give people wrong information on which they also strongly react. It is exactly the reactions and emotions that are triggered with 'entertainment', just look back how the 9/11 event has been covered, exactly that, spectacular and with almost an heroic touch.
Entertainment as you call it works brother, it works and we are witnessing it. In fact if it didn't work there would have been no invasion in either Afghanistan or Iraq. It works perfectly.
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03-06-2005, 12:20 AM
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Well, from where I see it these are exactly the methods that are being used already by the government&company to give people wrong information on which they also strongly react. It is exactly the reactions and emotions that are triggered with 'entertainment', just look back how the 9/11 event has been covered, exactly that, spectacular and with almost an heroic touch.
Entertainment as you call it works brother, it works and we are witnessing it. In fact if it didn't work there would have been no invasion in either Afghanistan or Iraq. It works perfectly.
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Okay, let's assume this is a good course to follow and you and I are in charge of the information machinery.
What message(s) do you suggest we convey to the people of this country? What course of "actions" do we advise the citizens to follow?
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