What Destroyed The World Trade Centers?

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Atom

Yeah true.

They are all going to be stacked up for future viewing though, as they come out, I hope, right?

Like if I missed the wednesday one or something, I'd be able to view it the following wed or w/e right?

I don't know if they'll archive the shows, or not ...hopefully they will.

Lisa has supposedly got some college actors/actresses to create a whole play out of the "trial" with sort of a courtroom setting, etc.

We'll just have to wait and see.



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[Atom]

Originally Posted by notepad

I don't know if they'll archive the shows, or not ...hopefully they will.# # #

I just finished watching the opening show and yes, the shows will be archived. So that's good because I'm sure I'll want to watch them several times. It is also good knowing that I can point people to them and they'll be there for them to watch.

[Ferre]

this was just posted on our boards, people everywhere ask questions.

http://www.911sb.org/911.swf

Time is comming to the point that they demand answers.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Ferre

this was just posted on our boards, people everywhere ask questions.

http://www.911sb.org/911.swf

Time is comming to the point that they demand answers.

Yeah that's a good one ...I remember when Eric was deciding whether to put the flash intro on one of his sites (it was derived from his book, Painful Questions).

http://www.hugequestions.com/

http://www.erichufschmid.net/





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[Ferre]

Ah, and about the 'debunk' article in Popular Mechanics,.. well how coinsidental, the writer of that article happens to be the cousin of Chertoff, the Homeland security Uberfeltmaarschalk.

read this here, more corruption and cover ups float to the surface;

9/11 AND CHERTOFF: COUSIN WROTE 9/11 PROPAGANDA FOR PM

[Rokerijdude11]

At long last the time has come to reply

First off hello to all here! i came here via a link at another fine website.

second let me say this up front
I voted BLINDLY before reading even the First word of the first post......... actually the link i followed brought me into the thread around page 7
third I am an American citizen i live in the conservative midwest and have served my country as a jet engine mechanic in the Navy some 20 odd yrs ago


after voting and seeing results. i went to post number one
I spent a total of 7-9 hours on this thread....
I read each and every post and followed ALL links and watched all videos flash etc. now that i see my watch i realize it was a full 11 hours and a half so far


Excellent thread!! i have been researching the truth behind 9-11 the N.W.O.etc.etc.etc when i say i have been researching here is what i mean from day 1 i never bought the 9-11 story
i have been off work for 5 yrs on a work related injury afte 9-11 i STOPPED watching television all but completly

i watch a few entertainment diversions less than 3 hrs a week of the idiot box at that time i opened a website met some people and learned about forums like these

i have spent the better part of my time off following links reading etc. etc.

I have to say that this thread is an excellent discussion on these aspects of the Lie that is the US government

this was an enjoyable read to see others as passionate and informed as i am on these issues i am sure that many a sheeople has been at least "stirred" in theyre slumber if they found theyre way into this thread

there are MANY of us Americans who know the score and know whats happening but far many more could care less as stated several times throughout this thread..its a real crapshoot as to what and when something will happen

but it must and will happen the sheeople are at least babbbling a bit now after sikently grazing for 2-3 yrs soon there will be too many questions and too much public awareness on this and other Lies perpetrated on the People

what words would you use to tell the American people theyre next step....................
more importantly is ........Are they ready to accept the truth?
for if not your words will be wasted
what to do?
INFORM THEM ALL GIVE THEM OVERWHELMING PROOF WITH FACT as you have done here
as also stated in the post the sheeople are that but............they are capable of deducting the truth for themselves when presented with facts

the long ardous campaign waged by the misinformation beurau of the our country will take reams of info to counteract the brainwashing that has been done via the Networks and News media

our first job is to do exactly as we are doing PROVIDE that OVERWHELMING amount of data that is needed to COUNTERACT the brainwashing of the sheeople

RD

[gorillaboy]

^ Hi notepad!............. j/k

Hi, Rokerijdude11!

the long ardous campaign waged by the misinformation beurau of the our country will take reams of info to counteract the brainwashing that has been done via the Networks and News media

So true!

[greg]

god don't start this again.

[Rokerijdude11]

hey there GB!

well Greg hi to you too
and with respect after spending the time that i did to READ ALL of this thread i should be extended the ability to respond to this Important subject.

You do not feel this info to be pertinent i see that from this and other posts you made in the thread.For that i am sorry
but as you see some of us DO find the info pertinent and have chosen to try and discuss it and even do something about it

if your not enjoying the thread why are you participating in it? you could have ignored my post or even just said hello?


i was merely responding after readin the thread not wanting to "start this again"

you see for many of US it NEVER STOPPED


R.D.

[SVB]

Hey there!
11 hours on the one thread?! wow! You must be serious about your research

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Rokerijdude11

hey there GB!

well Greg hi to you too
and with respect after spending the time that i did to READ ALL of this thread i should be extended the ability to respond to this Important subject.

You do not feel this info to be pertinent i see that from this and other posts you made in the thread.For that i am sorry
but as you see some of us DO find the info pertinent and have chosen to try and discuss it and even do something about it

if your not enjoying the thread why are you participating in it? you could have ignored my post or even just said hello?


i was merely responding after readin the thread not wanting to "start this again"

you see for many of US it NEVER STOPPED


R.D.

Hi RD and welcome to the thread ...I started this 911 discussion, a topic I consider most important to everyone. I am honored by your comments ...your commitment to discovering the truth about 911 is an exemplary patriotic gesture.

...your further posts are most welcome and I look forward to hearing from you as time permits.

As for the others here who prefer to bury their heads in the sand and take pot shots at us from the sidelines, simply ignore them. Like you said, if they don't like the forum, they don't have to click on it; pretty simple answer.

Too many already operate according to the expectations of others far less qualified ...let your inner truth reveal who you really are and what you represent.


P.S. - and thanks for voting



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[notepad]

The American government killed its own people - by John Kaminski

9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:

• The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.
  
  
• The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.
  
  
• FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS.
  
  
• The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?
  
  
• Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well.
  
  
• The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.
  
  
• The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington. Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims.
  
  
• The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.
  
  
• The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit. It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York.
  
  
• The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling from the sky.
  
  
• Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment.
  
  
• Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.
  

Such crystal clear evidence mandates that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder. Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.

Cuurently we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.

What will stop it?

...spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.

History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.

Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq. Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.

But the American people will not — and cannot — tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext — the war on terror — to go around killing anyone they like.

If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.





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[Atom]

Originally Posted by notepad

If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.

What you are saying in this last statement, notepad, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that if a majority of Americans (ie "the American people") do not somehow stop the current regime from continuing with their destructive strategy (that strategy's definition being one which you and I agree on), then they all (ie "the American people") "clearly" deserve to not exist as "a people" (ie a country).

I have one question for you.

Assuming that the current strategy (of which we agree on the definition) remains the same (ie gets no worse or better), what seems like a reasonable amount of time to give us (ie a majority of Americans) before it is judged in your mind that we (ie all Americans) deserve to be without a country? Or, has that time already arrived?

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Atom

What you are saying in this last statement, notepad, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that if a majority of Americans (ie "the American people") do not somehow stop the current regime from continuing with their destructive strategy (that strategy's definition being one which you and I agree on), then they all (ie "the American people") "clearly" deserve to not exist as "a people" (ie a country).

I have one question for you.

Assuming that the current strategy (of which we agree on the definition) remains the same (ie gets no worse or better), what seems like a reasonable amount of time to give us (ie a majority of Americans) before it is judged in your mind that we (ie all Americans) deserve to be without a country? Or, has that time already arrived?

I say to you Atom, that this country, or what's left of it, has already changed hands ...and the shots are being called by another force from within, or outside of what, we as Americans, once believed was our country, our homeland and our birthright.

We have all been cheated, deceived and totally ripped off ...while we were partying, having a good time, worshipping our cars and being brain washed into thinking we were better than the rest of the world, we were quietly made unwitting conspirators in a plan to destroy the U.S. We have now become the enemy of our fellow mankind and even of nature herself.

You ask, do we as a people deserve to be without a country, to live without its former liberties and freedoms? Well, that is not for me to judge ...I have my opinions, yet it is for each to find his own way; the people of this nation must decide whether they prefer to live in fear and die as cowards, or say enough is enough, take a stand and fight.

Is it worth it ...what does anyone really value these days? Perhaps we have become so complacent, so lethargic, so dependent on the system that we are willing to relinquish our homes and freedoms and succumb to the hands of liars, murderers and thieves ...give it all away on their empty promises that it'll be okay ...no one will get hurt.

I say horse sh!t to that; considering the Controllers' past record of offenses, you could never trust them, ever.

Here's what it's coming down to ...resist, fight and maybe get killed, or capitulate, surrender and die anyway ...which would you prefer, to perish standing up, or be slaughtered on bending knees?



Meanwhile, to further weaken the nation's ability to resist the atrocities and military domination that's being forced upon us, our country's young enlisted men are engaged in foreign wars. In these overseas killing fields they're given mandatory injections of unknown substances and subjected to everything from depleted uranium to amputations and PTS ...reducing once strong, vibrant youth to sickly, terminally ill outcasts.

These injections U.S. enlisted men and women are required to take are cleverly disguised as safeguards against disease, bio threats, etc ...however, people are getting sick by the thousands and the gov is hiding the casulties and the truth ...the Controllers are in fact slowly murdering our fighting forces overseas.

Without an able bodied resistance, without our young men and women as a fighting force here at home, with gun restrictions and total arms control on the horizon, we are left to be helpless victims of the NATO forces and mercs the Controllers are amassing now to police us, to confiscate property and murder the population.

So you decide ...what do you think? If the people tolerate this insanity and continue to lay down and take it, I ask you then, do they deserve ownership, do they deserve a free country and all that comes with such a nation?

...with a nation come responsibilities, courage and stewardship ...are you willing to defend your country against all enemies, even against an enemy pretending to be your countrymen?







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[Atom]

Originally Posted by notepad

You ask, do we as a people deserve to be without a country, to live without its former liberties and freedoms?

No, I didn't ask that. You stated that the American people deserve to not survive as a nation or people if they tolerate this insane strategy (of the controllers and our govt etc..that we agree is real). I asked, "what seems like a reasonable amount of time to give us (ie a majority of Americans) before it is judged in your mind that we (ie all Americans) deserve to be without a country? Or, has that time already arrived?"

But you didn't answer this question. That's ok, I was just curious.

I'm thinking 10 more years seems reasonable. I don't know ..

.. I was thinking 5 at first.

What a mess.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Atom

No, I didn't ask that. You stated that the American people deserve to not survive as a nation or people if they tolerate this insane strategy (of the controllers and our govt etc..that we agree is real). I asked, "what seems like a reasonable amount of time to give us (ie a majority of Americans) before it is judged in your mind that we (ie all Americans) deserve to be without a country? Or, has that time already arrived?"

But you didn't answer this question. That's ok, I was just curious.

I'm thinking 10 more years seems reasonable. I don't know ..

.. I was thinking 5 at first ...

If you are asking in the context of neglect, abandonment and a general shirk of responsibility, then the time to which you refer is past tense.

We must now prove ourselves worthy all over again ...to again liberate ourselves from the yoke of slavery and imperialism gone mad.

As for an exact date when melt down is to occur ...well, now you ask much.

If I had a time machine, I might be able to foretell our eventual future. For whatever their value, I offer two token predictions instead.

1 - The huge spike in 5-year T-bills (the most stable in financial uncertainty) purchased just prior to 911, will mature come Sept 2006 ...perhaps we'll be given at least until then by "those" who are waiting to c