If you don't want your language "nitpicked" then don't dramatize your posts with statements like "can you maintain that the whole world has gone mad". That's you implying that "the whole world" share's your view save the ignorant few of us who just don't get it. You've now acknowledged yourself that you know that's not true.
I'm not minimizing the relevency of 911. The events relevency isn't dictated by support of your theories.
That's what I mean. Any flaw in your theories comes with the same answer, "they're being controlled by the government!!!!!" It's just not credible.
Look, we can't even stack up some naked prisoners at a machine gun guarded prison camp under government military control during heated wartime without the cat getting out of the bag and on the national and international newscasts. What you suggest is ludacris.
...thanks for your feedback ...now sit back and wait till JS asks you to help discredit this string again ...which I might add, you failed.
Either I didn't express myself precisely, or you misunderstood what I wrote.
The difficulty in pulling it off by CIA would not be in the technicalities of the operation, but in that they would have way too many people who could spill the beans. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Wolfowitz and Bush personally installed explosives in WTC.
Yes I understand the logistics of secrecy compromise from too many agents being in the main loop.
That's why most are kept out ...only contributing from a compartmentalized security clearance.
...thanks for your feedback ...now sit back and wait till JS asks you to help discredit this string again ...which I might add, you failed.
I've never had any personal correspondence with JS in any shape, form, or fashion. I've never pm'd him nor him me. I probably know him less than most of you here.
Again, you're speaking without knowing what you're talking about.
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To be accurate, let me say that I don't recall ever sending him a pm. If I have it's been so long ago that I don't remember it and if so it was certainly not related to anything in the Lobby forum.
So here again, the admin of the forum isn't CONSPIRING with the members to discredit you. You do that well enough yourself with statements like this. And no, the Bush administration didn't put me up to it either, and the CIA has no knowledge of it.
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I've never had any personal correspondence with JS in any shape, form, or fashion. I've never pm'd him nor him me. I probably know him less than most of you here.
Again, you're speaking without knowing what you're talking about.
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To be accurate, let me say that I don't recall ever sending him a pm. If I have it's been so long ago that I don't remember it and if so it was certainly not related to anything in the Lobby forum.
So here again, the admin of the forum isn't CONSPIRING with the members to discredit you. You do that well enough yourself with statements like this. And no, the Bush administration didn't put me up to it either, and the CIA has no knowledge of it.
Regardless of your intentions, opinions and misguided decisions about 911, with the pitiful condition this country now finds itself in, you and those who fail to take notice and prepare for the inevitable, are the very people who will find it the most difficult to survive ...in the hard times to come.
Each must find his own way ...I'm not going to wear myself out attempting to bring important information to you. It's obvious that you prefer only to attack the messenger, rather than digest the facts and look for solutions.
Furthermore, if you are capable, I would appreciate it if you would not address, or quote me further. I have more important tasks at hand than to entertain your shallow minded worldview.
Furthermore, if you are capable, I would appreciate it if you would not address, or quote me further. I have more important tasks at hand than to entertain your shallow minded worldview.
Are you breaking up with me? Lighten up, we all get a little heated on things like this, but to banish me from addressing you, that's harsh.
I will most likely continue to address you when needed for the sake of discussion and quote you when it supports my statements, but I will try to do so in a fashion that doesn't obstruct your mission to direct the misguided world to the truth.
This is supposed to be fun. Have fun.
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Are you breaking up with me? Lighten up, we all get a little heated on things like this, but to banish me from addressing you, that's harsh.
I will most likely continue to address you when needed for the sake of discussion and quote you when it supports my statements, but I will try to do so in a fashion that doesn't obstruct your mission to direct the misguided world to the truth.
This is supposed to be fun. Have fun.
Fine then ...I accept your terms of engagement ...with respect to civil, intelligent discourse on the subject and those members and guests who do want to learn more about 911 truth.
Let's begin with your theory, your original opinion:
Regarding the WTC buildings and their collapse on September 11th, 2001 and in lieu of your vote indicating you believe the towers collapsed due to subsequent fires weakening the structures, please explain how you arrived at this opinion.
...and the source of your information that led to your belief.
this thread is still around. i figured it would have been locked by now, guess we are going for a most post record
...we?
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Originally Posted by greg
IF you have that much jet fuel burning for an hour yes steel will melt. There was no bomb placed inside the building.
Quoting from an earlier statement by you in this 911 string, "we" would enjoy hearing how you arrived at your conclusion that jet fuel can melt structural grade steel.
...and how you can say without any doubt, there were no explosives involved on 911.
"I've read the thread and found nothing but wild conjecture and absurd lies."
pretty well sums up the divide on the issue as john is one of the many who seem to dismiss all fact other than his/theyre or mass media approved fact?
there is soo so so much in this thread to have even answered in an off hand way like that....it seriously took me HOURS to read the WHOLE thread and ALL the videos and LINKS..... to have only skimmed the thread,and to dismiss it ALL as "wild conjecture and absurd lies" is ABSURD itself
if you cannot find any unanswered questions here in this thread its because YOU HAVENT READ it.
alqueda took credit...........are you for real???
you believe in the alqueda hysteria? you probably fell for the reefer madness hype then too eh?
as long as the machine has peolpe like you in the sandbox they will continue to destroy what was once great you enable them to achieve theyre goals. your blind callousness enables them to continue the lies. you embolden them with you unabashed candor and blind "patriotism".
you set example for others not in the know you help to proliferate the problem
how ANYONE could have READ THIS WHOLE thread and not come away with unanswered questions is utterly astounding to me
heres one for ya i see ya jump in on the wagon from time to time to add a jab or two well
put your money where your mouth is so to speak
answer some of the hundreds of un answered questions we have uncovered use you skill and knowledge and produce video, interviews, pictures, articles, post threads, etc. to show us why we are wrong and you are right
your gonna have to dig a bit though as main stream mass media reports will not be good enough as most of this thread goes head to head with any mass media outlets
no maybe we havent found concrete proof here in this thread but we have unearthed a ton of questions
where is your "concrete" proof?
where is your data that will show how we must be wrong?
im open to all that is true show me YOUR truth and see if it can change my/our minds?
still looking for some feedback and fact that would substantiate your theories john scott
and still amazed at all the others who find no credible questions after reading through ALL the INFORMATION posted in this thread
easy to respond with opinion after not participating in the details illustrated so dilligently by the Author.
easy one or two line answers to the pages upon pages of pertinent links and information provided by the Author and byothers who are ACTUALLY participating in the knowledge quest
i suspect i will again go un-answered as you all seem to be to bothered to read and reply in a fair manner you have your points and ideas we have ours im not calling you all crazy for not beleiving what i believe why are you saying that the points raised here are nonsense lies etc etc etc
Personally, I'd like to hear from anyone who can provide any reasonable conclusion that reflects the "official" 911 Commission Report that states the WTC towers were brought down by planes and fire.
...and I promise to hold back my passion for 911 truth to debate and discuss with them using only reason, facts and common courtesy.
after 24 pages?
any takers?
they had more than a fair chance to bring forth anything to reflect the "official" story
you see what youve gotten at most a paragraph or two
but mostly alot of one liners
perhaps one of these fine folks will demonstrate a passion half as deep as yours and give us something to ponder on
but alas after 24 pages i doubt it
thanks Notepad for the fine job youve done compiling data from all corners for some of us to make use of
So here again, the admin of the forum isn't CONSPIRING with the members to discredit you. You do that well enough yourself with statements like this. And no, the Bush administration didn't put me up to it either, and the CIA has no knowledge of it.
Good good. It seems notepad sees conspiracy theories everywhere.
And, I don't recall ever having a PM from Southnow either.
I cannot discount everyone ...there have been several members here at v7n who have contributed positively to this discussion ...in fact there would have been no discussion w/o them.
Even those who have doubts are correct; we are all acting within the limits of our current understanding. How can anyone make a prudent decision without having access to the necessary information?
My only wish is to bring awareness to others about the events which happened on 911 and how those events, besides being horrific, represent the central pretense by which our government has used fear to destroy The Constitution of The United States, erode our freedoms & liberties and plunge us deeper and deeper into debt ...to the point of no return.
Wars, invasions, unbridled military spending, environmental destruction, tax cuts for the wealthy, corruption and criminal activity on every level of the government; unchecked, unchallenged and allowed to continue with no end in sight.
...911 was the defining moment ...the event that gave license to tyranny.
Notepad, you refuse to answer the question posed by Jazzee. How many CIA agents were involved? They had to abduct the 257 passengers, either make them blieve that they were on airplanes hijacked by terrorists and get them to make phone calls, or force them to make phoney phone calls to their family and friends. That alone would involve hundreds of agents, and collusion of many other agencies.
Next they would have to get hundreds of people to lie about seeing the Pentagon hit by a plane, not a missile.
Next, they would need the collusion of the sworn enemy of the United States, Al Qaeda. Dozens of Al Qaeda members and foreign government agents would need to be participating in this. And then you got a couple hundred or more 9/11 investigators who would also need to be in collusion with the dastardly Bush.
So, it's either hundreds or thousands of murderous villians, or you being a quack. Hmm. I choose the latter.
Good good. It seems notepad sees conspiracy theories everywhere.
And, I don't recall ever having a PM from Southnow either.
...John, while you are here, would you mind explaining how you arrived at your opinion that there was a bomb, or missile attached to the planes that crashed into the towers?
In all fairness, it would seem quite impossible for Arab terrorists to attach something like that below the jets, the airliners they supposedly hijacked.
