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View Poll Results: What caused the WTC buildings to fall?
faulty, poor grade construction steel 2 1.69%
jet airliners crashing into the towers 23 19.49%
subsequent fires weakening the structures 14 11.86%
a combination of airliners crashing & the fires 27 22.88%
a bomb or missile attached to the plane(s) 4 3.39%
combination of all of the above 3 2.54%
angry UFO alien death ray beam 16 13.56%
strategically placed demolition charges 29 24.58%
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Old 03-22-2005, 01:04 AM   #481 (permalink)
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re: your vote (see above poll results)



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I mis-voted. (Call me Floridian). I would think it was bad engineering and the impact of the jetliner along with the subsequent fires.
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I would just like to point out that the US of A has been in debt in astronomical proportions since long before 9/11. This event did not drive nor did the resulting events drive out debt "to the point of no return" we have been in debt since we gained our indepence and guess what? its not gonna change. Yeah the numbers get bigger, but take into account this scenario:

Your in debt to a credit card company. You purchased 1000 last month, you make a payment of say, 500. This month you also spend 1000, you again pay only 500. Then do this for a LONG period of time AND include things such as inflation and the amount of interest on the unpaid debt starting from the first month and BAM! astronomical proportions that put you so far in debt you are at "the point of no return"
To a degree, I concur with your summary ...personally, I feel the real trouble started when this country embraced the Federal Reserve, abandoning the gold standard.

As for credit card debt, I have none ...don't believe in it and don't hang out with anyone who does.

...if you can't pay for it w/ cash or check, you probably don't need it.





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I mis-voted. (Call me Floridian). I would think it was bad engineering and the impact of the jetliner along with the subsequent fires.
...hindsight is a good thing ...maybe there's hope for you yet.






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...hindsight is a good thing ...maybe there's hope for you yet.
I wish I could say the same for you, Notepad. You would give yourself a lot more credibility if you refrained from stating wild conjecture as fact.

Bush isn't a good president. He's a bad, bad president. But your wild conjucture tends to make him look better.

If the options are insanity and total lack of reason, or Bush, most people choose Bush.
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To a degree, I concur with your summary ...personally, I feel the real trouble started when this country embraced the Federal Reserve, abandoning the gold standard.

As for credit card debt, I have none ...don't believe in it and don't hang out with anyone who does.

...if you can't pay for it w/ cash or check, you probably don't need it.





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I concur with not getting credit card debt, hell I don't even have a CC but it was a primative example to explain how the country's debt is horrible
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I wish I could say the same for you, Notepad. You would give yourself a lot more credibility if you refrained from stating wild conjecture as fact.

Bush isn't a good president. He's a bad, bad president. But your wild conjucture tends to make him look better.

If the options are insanity and total lack of reason, or Bush, most people choose Bush.
What are you talking about? ...what "wild conjecture?"

...and who said anything about Bush? ...are you in the right forum?


Insanity? ...lack of reason? ...Bush? ...what do these "options" have to do with what brought down the World Trade Center buildings?


Hey, here's an idea John, watch this 20 movie and let us know what you think.





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What are you talking about? ...what "wild conjecture?"

...and who said anything about Bush? ...are you in the right forum?


Insanity? ...lack of reason? ...Bush? ...what do these "options" have to do with what brought down the World Trade Center buildings?
Your statements that the CIA coordinated the 9/11 attacks. Insane. Wild conjecture.
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That you talking in the in the video?
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Your statements that the CIA coordinated the 9/11 attacks. Insane. Wild conjecture.
Are my opinions allowed ...or only yours?

What makes your statements so believable, so credible ...while mine are not?



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That you talking in the in the video?
No, the voice belongs to Eric Hufschmid, a 911 researcher.



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Are my opinions allowed ...or only yours?

What makes your statements so believable, so credible ...while mine are not?
Supporting evidence.
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No offense to either of you, but the way you have been bickering in this thread makes it seem like neither of you are worthy of credibility. I say this thread because obviuosly other threads have given both of you many good points but they also were on this.... so on this topic I wouldnt' really give either of you a large amount of credibility with they way you've been arguing. (not saying I'm better cuz hell I know nothing)
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What supporting evidence ...yours, or mine?

Please provide your supporting evidence ...and precisely what it supports.



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No offense to either of you, but the way you have been bickering in this thread makes it seem like neither of you are worthy of credibility. I say this thread because obviuosly other threads have given both of you many good points but they also were on this.... so on this topic I wouldnt' really give either of you a large amount of credibility with they way you've been arguing. (not saying I'm better cuz hell I know nothing)
With all due respect, contribute, or butt out.

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What supporting evidence ...yours, or mine?

Please provide your supporting evidence ...and precisely what it supports.
Um, you have no supporting evidence. Your only tactic is to question the tomes of facts and eye witness accounts that support the theory that Al Qaeda terrorist hijacked the planes, flew them into the WTCs and they collapsed.
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Pentagon Crash - Where's The Plane?

We are asking a few questions. We are pointing to problems with the official story of what happened on 911.

And that upsets some people. Curiously, it upsets those who fervently believe the US is fighting for freedom.



Below are a couple of emails taken from a website from people who claim to have been on the scene at the Pentagon on 911, with some eyewitnesses to the crash. What is revealing about these descriptions is that they are very different one from another, as well as diverging from the photos and official testimony.

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28/10/2004 19:32

Excellent video. I have the "9/11 In Plane Sight" video. After watching it I was very disturbed by it.

My Dad took a team of firefighters to the scene at the Pentagon and arrived there on the morning of Sept. 12th.

I called and asked him after watching the video:

"Dad, when you arrived at the Pentagon, how close were you to the building?"

He replied: "within 100ft."

I said: "I just watched a very disturbing video concerning the attack at the Pentagon. Did you see upon your arrival any parts, luggage, seats, etc., indicating a plane had hit the building?"

He was very quiet for a few minutes and responded: "You know, I did not see any indication at all that a plane had hit the building."

He had never questioned what he was told until seeing the video. He, like most, can't imagine our government covering up such an incident much less, the possibility of being responsible for it.

The results of the attack on 9/11 have been clear. The war upon "terrorism" has been used to make war upon our liberty.

Michael. G.

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26/10/2004 21:00

To whom it may concern,

One of my teenage sons was telling my husband and I last night about your web page. I looked at it and wrote to a friend of mine telling her about it. I wrote her because she works for NASA, about a block from the Pentagon. She was at work that day and has friends that work at the Pentagon.

It took a mutual friend and I a long time to reach her that day. She finally wrote us back late that evening saying it had taken her a long time to get home due to all the traffic and people trying to get out of the area. We were worried about her as we knew she worked very close to the Pentagon. She said she was okay, but there was a lot of confusion everywhere. They did not return to work for awhile afterward.

I remember that day very well myself. I never saw any plane either. My friend wrote back this morning and I thought I'd share this with all of you.

Here is what she said in her email to me:

"Yeah, I saw this awhile ago. I don't know what to think. A guy I work with was there, pulling bodies out of the damn building. He never saw a plane either. No one I know who was there ever saw a plane.... and I know a few people who work at the Pentagon. None of them saw a plane.

My friend Chris's wife was hospitalized for injuries due to this 'crash' and she swears there was no plane.. there was some whistling noise and the building exploded. She said this while she was in the hospital. If you ask her now she'll just say she doesn't know what happened. I find that rather interesting."

Just thought I'd pass this on.

Best regards

Michelle F.

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Pentagon Strike

Of course it was an airplane. I was here at the Pentagon 911. I saw airplane parts on the ground the next day. The video asks what happened to the fuel - ask the people that still work here who have damaged lungs from the smoke and fuel. Ask the people who were horribly burned. Ask the firefighters who worked for nearly three days to put the fire out. Oh, and that huge orange fireball? Hello!

Of course the pilot was incompetent. That's why he crashed the plane into the ground on the outer ring. If he had been a better pilot, he would have brought the plane down into the courtyard, or onto the roof - killing thousands instead of less than 200.

Do you realize the plane hit the building in a place that had recently been renovated? The outer walls of the Pentagon had been reinforced with kevlar and a steel network "mesh" to prevent collapse. Unbroken windows? Not surprising when you consider they were new, nearly 2" thick bomb-proof glass. The video quotes Lee Evey, who is in charge of the Pentagon Renovation, but does it quote him on the remarks he made concerning how well the Pentagon's new "outer defenses" performed, and how many lives those new measures saved?

I'm not going to argue with all the fools who want to believe these kinds of conspiracy videos - I was there 911, and I was there 912, and all the days after.

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After doing a check on the IP address of the above correspondent, the webmaster found that the last message above came from the Pentagon itself!

...wonder if Rummie himself sent it?



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