First off excellent at least there is an exchange of dialog on the two sides of the fence whether its making headway is yet to be seen.
Ex-Air Force it would seem eh? well that gives me some more insight to your view of things John and thats all good i understand where your coming from now
what I think some of the problem here is that not only does one need to accept that there MAY be a conspiracy which is hard enough for many of you
You also need to accept that the conspiracy is of a much
larger and grander scale than Just Bush and the Cia etc. what we are looking down the barrel of is an international conspiracy of the highest order
yup im one of "them" there is a much larger conspiracy Bush Rummy the feds all of them mere players in a GLOBAl game. you first need to see and accept that as possible or you will never see Bush in the light or the conspiracy in light it will never make enough sense by itself to see
that is where the problem lies i believe.....without acceptance of a new world order and a global conspiracy you will probaly NEVER accept Dubya as a bad guy nor will you accept 9-11 for what it was
here is an interesting tidbit to perhaps look into concerning
jazzees question about how the cia could be queit
Well apparently way back in 1976 when Bush Sr. was in charge of the CIA they were tasked with creating the "perfect terrorist attack"
they devised............you got it 9-11 to the detail!!!
the staffing involved during that time frame;
Rumsfeld ....Secretary of state 1976
Bush senior...Director CIA .....1976
Nelson Rockfellar ...Vice president....1976
after three failed attempts at Gerald Fords life rockfellar remained VP much to theyre dismay
the combination here is an amazing one isnt it?
what about the other guy? Cheeney
Dick Cheeney.....Chief of Staff ...president FORD 1976
amazingly some 30 yrs later the same team emerges from the shadows with the same agendas as before this time they unite when the supreme court PLACES G.W. in the whitehouse
Bush Sr. truly completes the circle of power when he Mueller is nominated to head the FBI just TWO WEEKS before the ATTACK
explains why the WTCs were chosen: found to be unstable, and perhaps
even
the WTCs were created simply for the Rockefeller desire of destroying them.
After all, they were constructed under Nelson Rockfeller himself (as
Governor of New York), with help from his brother on financing, David
Rockefeller (founder of the Trialterals). These would be the very people
who
thought they would be in charge directly after Ford Assassination attempts.
However, all these failed
so then that may explain why in 1993 under the Admin of Clinton ......(Bush'second cousin and fellow sull and bonesman) the FBI pushed the agenda of having the towers destroyed by"surrogate terrorists" they were told where and how to place the charges to bring down the towers in 1993 but again they failed
here comes the interesting part that may answer some of Jazzees question
it appears that after the failed attempt at taking down the towers in 1993 that the BUSH family buys up all the security contracts at the world trade centers
Marvin BUSH is in charge of "Securatec" the security compainy in charge of the world trade center
it is a bit more complex than that (Kuwait/american)owned company to which Bush famil is the American side
interestingly the team of players from 1976 have been reassembled again in 2001
Baby Bush appoints his father's 1976
friends to power once more: Cheney (Bush Senior's Secretary of State for
the
Gulf War I, Halluburton connections, and Cheney was Ford's 1976 Chief of
Staff), Rumsfeld (appointed Secretary of State in 2001, was appointed
Secretary of State in 1976 for appointed Ford as well...), and appointing
George W. Bush (a proxy for his father coming back into power from his
"interrupted" 1976 CIA Directorship), and the appointing of another GHW
Bush
right hand man, Meuller, as FBI director. Then they were set to unleash
their hit on the United States. Which they did. Which they still are.
so there you have a little insight to some of the players then and now and the agenda at hand again if you do not see the bigger picture here you cannot accept the truths you need to look out of just the US and Bush and his puppets its much broader much larger than that
Unfortunately, now, after 3 1/2 years since 911, there is so much controversy and misleading information surrounding the events of that day, that it's difficult, if not impossible to ever find out what really happened.
Match this dilemma with the unwillingness (or laziness) of an uncaring, media-hypnotized people and you have little potential of uncovering the facts, much less presenting the truth to anyone who even cares.
As for myself, the most damning piece of "evidence" showing demolitions were used on 911 is a film of WTC Building 7 collapsing as if someone had let the air out of it.
Building 7 was neither hit by an airplane nor heavy fallout from the collapse of either of the Twin Towers. Yet on the afternoon of 911, all that was left of the 47-story skyscraper was a tidy pile of rubble lying almost entirely within the building's footprint.
Moreover, the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. Such a rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance.
Furthermore, leaseholder Larry Silverstein's comments regarding the apparent demolition of Building 7 only adds more controversy to an already cloudy situation.
startling words spoken by silverstien concerning "pulling" the building btw if you were to pull a building the size of WTC7 and do it correctly so as not to cause any further damage you would have to have at least ONE WEEK to set all explosives correctly and to wire them etc.
interesting that a "control room" had been built for the mayors office could it have been the nerve center for the demolition you bet it could\
funny how there is no comment on the oddity of having the same team in place now that was in place in 1976
do you not see the implications there? does it not peak you curiosity?even more funny is that this "team" came up with the 9-11 terror attacks on the WTC in 1976
the cia developed the exact scenario that took place on 9-11 2001 yet the plan was drawn up in 1976
IT NEVER WAS POSSIBLE TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED 9-11
the truth was never near the surface nor will it be you will always be called a conspiracist or a wingnut no matter how compelling your data is
you cannot avoid the fact that you are villanized as a conspiracist
the attacks were planned long long ago and have been around for may years the twin towers were in fact Built to SURVIVE hits from COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS it was factored in to the engineering
the IMPORTANT THING is NOT HOW but WHO AND WHY
so so many are just walking around with blinders on
do you not see the forest through the trees?
no matter it has gotten further than you can imagine and stopping them is almost a moot point right now
you need to look beyond 9-11 and take a look at whats really happening in the world around you for many of you this will be impossible as you have been brainwashed from birth while the television babysat you and formed your ideas on things
youll notice that its mostly Non Americans who see the truth and Americans who are on the "Fringe" us "Conspriacists" you know the wingnuts so to speak they want it that way and it will continue that way until the **** really hits the fan
it will be all of YOU BELIVERS of the media lies and the feeders off the govt tit who will be affected most you will cry the loudest youll perish first you will be led like lambs to your final solution
some of us will last longer and eventually will fall too and the small sliver thats left? its our job to pick up the pices and try to salvage what we can
the picture is SO MUCH LARGER THAN 9-11
that is just like the Michael Jackson court case something to keep your mind busy while tey rape the rest of your constitutional rights in the name of your safety while you watch about scott and lacy petersen military units are bieng hopscotched across the globe
it becomes startling clear that America has past the point of caring past the point of changing we silently eat grass while the machine grinds ever forward
this was an excellent exercise in information collection and disbursment unfortunatly once agin we find BLIDLY patriotic Americans who are Un-willing to even give the theory a chance
its always the same America will have one rude awakening in her not so distant future
where will you be when it happens?
does it matter? do you care? probably not you suv needs washing the kids need to be brought to soccer you neeed a latte on the way home while you watch the michael jackson trial till you have to pick up the kids and stop by the store on ya way homw i know how it is
your all good where you sit it dosent shake your tree why bother right i lke to see ex US military like MYSELF learning the truth
you were in the air force john......you know some of the truths then dont deny it
you my friend will be crushed when you learn the string your have tied to your finger that you thought was flying a proud red white and blue balloon is actually dragging the burst balloon on the ground behind you.
deny everything and trust the government you cant go wrong eh?????????
I've said this before and I'd like to repeat it again:
Many citizens in America see their government as the benevolent, loving father who is always there to protect them, provide for their needs ...always having their best interests in mind.
Imagine the emotional trauma of being told your father is actually a mass murderer, a drug dealer, a liar and a thief ...and he's been committing heinous crimes against humanity and the earth for years.
You would probably be torn between defending him out of blind loyalty, or denying the truth because such a reality was too horrible to accept.
...besides making you angry, accepting such facts could completely destroy your family, your hopes for the future, your dreams and your security.
...with respect to 911, a difficult task remains ...convincing everyday Americans that their once benevolent country has betrayed them ...while still giving them hope for the future.
...making the latter happen w/o destroying the nation will require a miracle.
I've said this before and I'd like to repeat it again:
Many citizens in America see their government as the benevolent, loving father who is always there to protect them, provide for their needs ...always having their best interests in mind.
Imagine the emotional trauma of being told your father is actually a mass murderer, a drug dealer, a liar and a thief ...and he's been committing heinous crimes against humanity and the earth for years.
You would probably be torn between defending him out of blind loyalty, or denying the truth because such a reality was too horrible to accept.
...besides making you angry, accepting such facts could completely destroy your family, your hopes for the future, your dreams and your security.
...with respect to 911, a difficult task remains ...convincing everyday Americans that their once benevolent country has betrayed them ...while still giving them hope for the future.
...making the latter happen w/o destroying the nation will require a miracle.
I really have to disagree with you here, Notepad. I don't personally know a single person who thinks of the Gov't as a loving, benevolent father. I have political discussions with friends all the time, and most people I know perceive the Gov't to be a apathetic, greedy, cold-hearted, incompetent monster.
Futhermore, it's pretty much understood that many people within the Gov't are corrupt liars.
Are you telling me that people around you are actually thinking of the Gov't as a "loving, benevolent father"? Who are these morons? Was a lobotomy involved?
I really have to disagree with you here, Notepad. I don't personally know a single person who thinks of the Gov't as a loving, benevolent father. I have political discussions with friends all the time, and most people I know perceive the Gov't to be a apathetic, greedy, cold-hearted, incompetent monster.
Futhermore, it's pretty much understood that many people within the Gov't are corrupt liars.
Are you telling me that people around you are actually thinking of the Gov't as a "loving, benevolent father"? Who are these morons? Was a lobotomy involved?
Approx 50% of people react this way ...like you're attacking their dad ...when presenting information on 911 ...especially details which tend to disagree with the gov's "official" report of what happened.
What happened to you? ...yesterday you were ready to fight yo mama and defend the gov against any who doubted the 911 Commission Report findings.
Today you're cussing the government like a stray dog pizzin on your car ...what happened? ...did you get audited?
Forget that question ...what do you say to post ^ # 522 and WTC 7 dropping like a deflated balloon ...see any similarities there with a demolition?
The official myth of the 9/11/01 attack was rolled out on the day of the attack. Its major elements are:
Sleeper cells of Islamic terrorist directed by Osama bin Laden hijack four jetliners using only primitive weapons (boxcutters).
The hijackers fly two of the planes into the Twin Towers.
The hijackers fly the third plane into the Pentagon, later causing part of the building to collapse.
Passengers on the fourth plane attack the hijackers, causing the plane to crash in Pennsylvania.
The towers, weakened by fires, collapse. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There is no public evidence to prove any of these claims. The contents of the jetliners' black boxes have never been made public. Records of the alleged calls from the planes have never been produced. Interviews with air traffic controllers have been destroyed. The steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings was rapidly recycled without forensic examination. The blueprints for those buildings have remained off-limits to the public. The FBI, by it's own admission, has failed to turn up "a single piece of paper" linking the alleged hijackers to the plot.
Approx 50% of people react this way ...like you're attacking their dad ...when presenting information on 911 ...especially details which tend to disagree with the gov's "official" report of what happened.
What happened to you? ...yesterday you were ready to fight yo mama and defend the gov against any who doubted the 911 Commission Report findings.
Today you're cussing the government like a stray dog pizzin on your car ...what happened? ...did you get audited?
Notepad, your partisan politics are more than obvious, and it seems you have real issues. Emotional or mental, who knows?
The only friend we have is truth. My only loyalty is to truth and justice. Just because I find the official version of about 9/11 to be more factually based than your off-the-wall version, does not mean I'm loyal to the Gov't. If you actually bothered to do your homework, you'd see that I have never been blindly supportive of the Gov't. I told you point blank that Bush is a bad president, and that the US of A is a police state. Insofar as my only loyalties are to truth and justice, I'm free to critically analyze the facts.
Your loyalty, however, is blind. Your loyalty to anything Anti-American is so overwhelming that you abandon reason and truth in favor of anything that is slightly anti-Bush and Anti-American.
Intellectually immaturity leads you to declare that anybody who does not see 9/11 in the same raving-lunatic way that you do is a blindly patriotic moron.
Maybe, just maybe, your stories are too full of holes for 99% of us (the critical thinking people bound by reason) to accept.
The official myth of the 9/11/01 attack was rolled out on the day of the attack. Its major elements are:
Sleeper cells of Islamic terrorist directed by Osama bin Laden hijack four jetliners using only primitive weapons (boxcutters).
The hijackers fly two of the planes into the Twin Towers.
The hijackers fly the third plane into the Pentagon, later causing part of the building to collapse.
Passengers on the fourth plane attack the hijackers, causing the plane to crash in Pennsylvania.
The towers, weakened by fires, collapse.
There is no public evidence to prove any of these claims. The contents of the jetliners' black boxes have never been made public. Records of the alleged calls from the planes have never been produced. Interviews with air traffic controllers have been destroyed. The steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings was rapidly recycled without forensic examination. The blueprints for those buildings have remained off-limits to the public. The FBI, by it's own admission, has failed to turn up "a single piece of paper" linking the alleged hijackers to the plot.
Wow, you've really been paying attention Atom.
...don't forget, half of the FBI's "dead" hijackers' on a list which was compiled immediately after 911, are still alive living in foreign countries.
Notepad, your partisan politics are more than obvious, and it seems you have real issues. Emotional or mental, who knows?
The only friend we have is truth. My only loyalty is to truth and justice. Just because I find the official version of about 9/11 to be more factually based than your off-the-wall version, does not mean I'm loyal to the Gov't. If you actually bothered to do your homework, you'd see that I have never been blindly supportive of the Gov't. I told you point blank that Bush is a bad president, and that the US of A is a police state. Insofar as my only loyalties are to truth and justice, I'm free to critically analyze the facts.
Your loyalty, however, is blind. Your loyalty to anything Anti-American is so overwhelming that you abandon reason and truth in favor of anything that is slightly anti-Bush and Anti-American.
Intellectually immaturity leads you to declare that anybody who does not see 9/11 in the same raving-lunatic way that you do is a blindly patriotic moron.
Maybe, just maybe, your stories are too full of holes for 99% of us (the critical thinking people bound by reason) to accept.
I grow weary of your constant, judgmental, denigrating remarks ...you come off sounding like a true hypocrite ...like your sh!t don't stink ...like everyone has to be just like you ...are you some kind of web psycho or something? ...who made you the supreme judge over all mankind?
I asked you a simple question mister ...are you gonna answer it, or are you gonna keep whining like a little girl?
...don't forget, half of the FBI's "dead" hijackers' on a list which was compiled immediately after 911, are still alive living in foreign countries.
The FBI acknowledges that the identities of several hijackers are unknown because they used stolen ID's. It's actually quite common for people doing bad things to use stolen ID's, FYI.
thanks all for ignoring me yet again...
and i suppose i wasnt invited so i kinda crashed the party anyhow..it would seem based on the responses or lack of that your not interested in my points of view so ill stop wasting the time to respond thanks notepad for some compelling information i will be sure to send others over to read through it
sorry to have bothered you all with my opinions or views have a great day everyone and watch that Bush
JOHN SCOTT you hit the nail on the head "POLICE STATE"
it is in fact here NOW so you do know some of the truths excellent
