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View Poll Results: What caused the WTC buildings to fall?
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faulty, poor grade construction steel
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jet airliners crashing into the towers
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subsequent fires weakening the structures
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a combination of airliners crashing & the fires
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a bomb or missile attached to the plane(s)
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combination of all of the above
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angry UFO alien death ray beam
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strategically placed demolition charges
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03-25-2005, 05:55 PM
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#581 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rokerijdude11
ha ha Atom
funny that post 559 didnt sit well with me eiher on several counts. And i too am having a lil harder time than i thought getting evidence... its there you just have to wade through so much of it
to find what your lookin for
interesting to see if were on the same page?
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Geez you gotta have a damn degree in physics to decipher the technicalities into laymans terms for God's sake. I'm getting closer though I think.
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03-26-2005, 03:31 PM
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Although it'd take you better part of a day to read through it all, I located some pages offering more details about the energy required to blast the towers to dust.
Thermodynamic Analysis of the Twin Tower Collapses
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On September 11th, Both of the Twin Towers disintegrated into vast clouds of concrete and other materials, which blanketed Lower Manhattan. This paper shows that the energy required to produce the expansion of the dust cloud observed immediately following the collapse of 1 World Trade Center (the North Tower) was much greater than the gravitational energy available from its elevated mass.
...The amount of energy required to expand the North Tower's dust cloud was many times the entire potential energy of the tower's elevated mass due to gravity. The over 10-fold disparity between the most conservative estimate and the gravitational energy is not easily dismissed as reflecting uncertainties in quantitative assessments.
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And another here:
Powder Analysis
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...Thus, if explosives were used, they would only have contributed about 15,000 kwh, which is largely negligible compared to the gravitational energy. In a controlled demolition, gravity does the lion's share of the work, while the explosives serve only to destroy the physical integrity of the structure.
...The energy required to crush rock is roughly proportional to 1/sqrt(powder diameter), so the exact amount of energy required is critically dependent on the fineness of the powder. The energy required to reduce solid rock to 60 micron powder is about 20 kwh/ton:
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03-29-2005, 11:27 PM
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Each tower fell in about 10 seconds. This is near the rate of free fall. This is not possible without the use of explosives.
Last edited by Atom : 03-29-2005 at 11:33 PM.
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03-30-2005, 04:08 AM
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Think about this one; The "terrorists" had to prepare the 9/11 attack very carefully right?
First UA93 Tuesday Flight was on 9-11
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03-30-2005, 04:19 AM
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Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations.
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Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia was a rescue worker at 9/11. He joined Alex to discuss how rescuers were prevented from doing their jobs properly, were not protected from harmful asbestos, and how explosives, possibly tactical nukes, brought down the towers.
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http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat...=293484771&t=1
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03-30-2005, 05:08 AM
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Very good find in post #585, Ferre .. I'm only about 1/4 of the way through it. It's a long one but very damaging evidence to those complicit in the cover up.
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03-30-2005, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Atom
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There is something to the article. I was actually surprised that only some 3000 people were killed. When I lived in Jersey City, NJ. (right across the river from WTC) I used to commute to NYC. Jersey City is where those Israelis cheering the WTC collapse were arrested.
On a business day the train station alone was brimming with people, and it certainly looked like more than 3000 of them. The escalators and steps between one of the levels alone had to be filled with at least 3000. It always looked like a river of people. Day in, day out. When the first tower collapsed my first thought was 10000 to 20000 at least.
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04-21-2005, 08:08 PM
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wtf, let this thing die ferre
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04-21-2005, 09:22 PM
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Yeah, just move on!
Uncovering the truth benefits nobody.
Why would our goverment lie to us? They've conducted a full, unfettered investigation of 9-11. There are no unanswered questions.
The official story is the one they told us a day after the attack took place.
So drop it! This was almost four years ago for Christ's sake! It's time to move on, brother!
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04-21-2005, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferre
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Ferre, this childish BS makes me sick. I mean, c'mon.
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The incriminating anomaly in this timeline is that the US air force did not scramble a single fighter jet to intercept any of the hijacked planes.
A little research into aviation regulations and historical precedent demonstrates that every one of those planes should have been intercepted by jet fighters before it got anywhere near its crash destination. The failure to launch any intercepts is only explainable by a systematic nation-wide stand down of routine air defence procedures. FAA regulations state that if any plane deviates from its flight path, and fails to respond to ATC commands or communications, it is automatically declared an emergency. This is because is it has become a hazard to other planes - even if no malicious intent is suspected. If ATC is any doubt as to whether an emergency exists, it is to be considered as one.
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Fact is we never shoot down hi-jacked airlines. Duh. That's an incriminating anomy?????? Get serious, and grow the **** up. If we had shoot it down, you same people would be calling the US trigger-happy mass murderers.
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04-21-2005, 10:00 PM
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True, but normal procedure is for jet fighters to make visual contact with a pilot of any plane that goes off track and to escort (fly with it) untill everything is under control by the headquarters. Any pilot can tell you that, indeed, this is international even and happens in most countries for safety matters, also for other flights that can cross an off-track plane.
"Intercepted" by all means does not mean shoot down btw, it means keep an eye on it and await orders for jet pilots.
And don't start to accuse eachother of being childish if we don't agree ok?
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04-22-2005, 07:48 AM
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Stop living in the past man.....
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04-22-2005, 07:54 AM
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4 Real!
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04-22-2005, 08:28 AM
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Stop living in the past man.....
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Nothing happened folks, nothing to see here, just walk on now, go home and watch some tv. That will make you more relaxed and give you a better view on the world.
and mainwhile:
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5786

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04-22-2005, 08:59 AM
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After he signed the paperwork, however, Bloomer took a closer look at the contract and was even more disturbed by what she learned. The small print reveals that the $350 monthly stipend her son receives is actually an advance on his $250 per month combat pay and $100 per month hardship duty pay.
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Ha- dumb KIDS!
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