What Destroyed The World Trade Centers? - Page 6

chaka42 · 02-11-2005, 08:14 AM

whoah .... i thought i was back in the 60s .....

notepad · 02-11-2005, 08:16 AM

The most damning evidence that demolitions took place on 911 is the destruction on WTC 7. Take a look at the building's collapse below ...it was obviously destroyed by a controlled demolition ...the demise of building WTC 7 has also been methodically avoided by mainstream reporters and the press.

building WTC 7

...doesn't this look like someone "let the air out" and "deflated" WTC 7? Buildings just don't fall down like that without a lot of help from strategically placed explosives.

If all it took to bring a skyscraper straight down was a fuel fire, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies would all be out of a job. Come on, even a layman with no explosives background should be able to see this.

Many specialists in the explosives and structural engineering have also made this observation and commented on these inconsistencies. After the WTC collapse, the Vice President of New Mexico Tech, Van Romero, gave an interview to the Albuquerque Journal. Romero, an explosives and demolitions expert, stated plainly that he believed that the WTC collapse was too methodical and that explosive devices must have been placed in key points of both buildings. Romero said:

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that. It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points. One of the things that terrorists are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device."

In that same interview, Romero revealed that he was in Washington DC when the attacks took place. He and a colleague were there to discuss defense research programs for New Mexico Tech. A few days after his interview, Romero abruptly changed his opinion and told the Albuquerque Journal that he no longer believed that bombs brought down the towers.

...uh oh ...Romero, who relies upon the Pentagon for funding, had suddenly flip-flopped, he changed his mind and joined the "melted steel" theorists. Now why would he do that?

...additional bonus material:
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/pp_fdny.htm
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7.html

chaka42 · 02-11-2005, 10:51 AM

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Steel melts @ 2500 deg F

i know from experience, a 'simple' firepit can be fueled by combustible items, not a liquid fuel, and generate temperatures up to 2600 deg. not a difficult task actually. i know this because potters do it all the time, of which i used to be.

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everyone that watched the towers collapse that morning, noticed one thing, the buildings collapse from the top down

still no answer for this ... now that does raise questions as to the collapse of wtc7 but not the twin towers.

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then lied and covered the whole thing up through skilled propagandists at the highest level of our government and the media

sadly, i see this as post jfk / government paranoia

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One of the things that terrorists are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device.

so, according to romero, the terrorists could have been responsible for these supposed demolition charges and not the government.

notepad · 02-11-2005, 05:48 PM

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everyone that watched the towers collapse that morning, noticed one thing, the buildings collapse from the top down

still no answer for this ... now that does raise questions as to the collapse of wtc7 but not the twin towers.

Actually this raises multiple questions...

* no steel high-rise building has ever collapsed due to a fire, anywhere ...yet on 9/11/2001, how could several skyscrapers fall within seconds each supposedly due to fires and all on the same day?

* since WTC Towers 1 & 2 both started exploding, falling and vaporizing to dust from the top down, wouldn't this indicate an insufficient amount of weight remaining (from the top) to smash down through all the rest of the immense World Trade Center buildings? (too much resistance) ...how also can the "official" 911 Commission's report of a pancake theory be believed?

* if you compromised a building's upper framework enough to weaken it, the building would fall sideways following the path of least resistance...not into itself ...how could any vertical structure, a building, or even a tree, fall down through itself, without something else (like explosives) removing any resistance?

* if you dropped a chunk of concrete from an airplane and it hit the pavement, it would smash into a bunch of smaller pieces ...this given, how can one explain the 200,000+ tons of solid concrete (from the Twin Towers) being pulverized down to the consistency of fine flour? (only military grade explosives can do this)

* if what happened to WTC Building 7 was a controlled demolition, is it not logical to conclude that the collapses of the main WTC Towers on that day were associated with that event?

When one truly examines the "evidence" of 911, it is clear the buildings could not have been destroyed by jets crashing into them, or fire. Without a doubt, they were brought down by strategically placed demolition explosives.

Once a person accepts this fact, it also becomes quite evident that a few "terrorists" living in another country could never have gained access to the World Trade Center buildings (far too much security) in order to place hundreds of demolition charges at structural weak points.

911 was obviously a well planned professional operation which required access to the building's structure by experienced demolition experts working over a period of time in concert with building security. There have been numerous statements made by people who worked in the WTC buildings, and by those who were visiting New York who witnessed these strange work crews (prior to 911).

It would be impossible to carry out such an operation (as 911) in the U.S. without collaborative support at the highest levels of our "government" and the military.

docquesting · 02-11-2005, 05:55 PM

Atom · 02-11-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

this thread sucks

Do not click on it then.

notepad · 02-11-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chaka42

whoah .... i thought i was back in the 60s .....

"...living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see."

notepad · 02-11-2005, 10:36 PM

Does this look like a building collapse due to a low-temperature fire?

Of course not!

Most people have never been to New York and they don't realize how massively huge the World Trade Center buildings were.

Take a look at those pieces flying out hundreds of feet from the building ...those are huge sections of solid steel weighing many tons each being tossed outward with such a force that they appear to be only matchsticks.

Only explosives have the requisite energy to propel these multi-ton objects outward so far, with such great force.

Fires in the WTC buildings could have burned for months, for years with enough debris & fuel ...and never have collapsed. In such a scenario, the buildings would be perhaps reduced to a skeleton of steel columns and beams ...yet the structure itself would have remained standing.

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Atom · 02-11-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by notepad

..Take a look at those pieces flying out hundreds of feet from the building ..

And at 100's of miles an hour. They found debris in New Jersey, they said.

notepad · 02-12-2005, 12:21 AM

I'm reading now where many 911 researchers are investigating the possibility of explosives being actually incorporated into the initial construction of WTC Towers 1 & 2.

...seems plausible considering the destruction that day ...even conventional demolitions and all their destructive force would be hard pressed to cause the absolute, total disintegration of buildings 1 & 2.

tidbit: construction of the World Trade Centers began on September 11th, 1971 - exactly 30 years prior to 911.

Atom · 02-12-2005, 12:30 AM

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I'm reading now where many 911 researchers are investigating the possibility of explosives being actually incorporated into the initial construction of WTC Towers 1 & 2.

hmm .. I wonder what prompted them to look into that? Seems insane.

notepad · 02-12-2005, 12:46 AM

...at this point, I wouldn't put anything past the gov/cia/fbi ...they are capable of the worst crimes, having the least conscious and accountability.

Atom · 02-12-2005, 01:03 AM

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...at this point, I wouldn't put anything past the gov/cia/fbi ...they are capable of the worst crimes, having the least conscious and accountability.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Well .. all that I can say is, they'd better hope that God's judgement is just one big SOB'n fairytale.

Course, just between you and me, I got inside info that that ain't gonna do em any good anyway.

notepad · 02-12-2005, 01:29 AM

Imagine what would happen in this country if the current administration, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the media (along with any other traitors) were found complicit in the murderous 911 conspiracy ...that is, the conspiracy which is obviously being revealed every day, even as I write this.

You've mentioned that only recently had you realized a crime seemed to have been committed by the Gov and that you were saddened by your new awareness.

What do you think would happen if 50 million Americans suddenly became aware that their government had lied to them and a group of traitors had actually planned 911 and killed their countrymen?

Atom · 02-12-2005, 01:48 AM

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What do you think would happen if 50 million Americans suddenly became aware that their government had lied to them and a group of traitors had actually planned 911 and killed their countrymen?

I've been thinking about this for a few days now. All that I can think is that a huge militia would form and I imagine people would polarize to the side they felt the safest. But I don't know and don't really like to think about it, TBH.

What do you think might happen?

notepad · 02-12-2005, 02:25 AM

I was speaking with a retired Army colonel in Virginia the other day and I'd have to agree with his remarks ...that to take back control of the country from the neo cons a military coup will be required ...and is quite possibly in the works now.

By the way, when you have some time, here's a pretty interesting article on explosives being added to the concrete during construction of WTCs.

EXPLOSIVES PUT IN WTC CONCRETE

notepad · 02-14-2005, 12:10 AM

By comparison to The World Trade Centers collapsing due to "fire" as wrongly purported by the U.S. Government's 911 Commission, here's a skyscraper in Madrid, Spain that recently burned for days ...the raging inferno gutted the entire building down to a skeleton, yet the building hasn't collapsed.

In fact, NO steel framed, high rise building has EVER collapsed due to fire damage ...that is, before the WTC buildings were reportedly brought down by a fire ...a fire that wasn't even severe, nor widespread throughout the buildings.

More on the fire in Madrid:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...SPAIN-FIRE.xml

Image: closeup view of Madrid building

chaka42 · 02-14-2005, 11:37 AM

i find it quote ironic that you criticize our current president and his administration and classify them as idiots yet you believe that they are the masterminds behind this tragedy that has fooled so many. wouldn't this, in essence, make them genuises? food for thought.

you guys have made some convincing arguments i must admit, but i think for the moment, i'll stick to what i believe. i do still have the freedom to do so?

things to consider about the construction of the wtc towers is that they were not constructed like any other skycsraper around, making them unique. the building in madrid was merely consumed by fire, not an initial collision and explosion caused by 757s. in the wtc, the fires were a result of this. we have no statistical backing as to the solidity of a steel-framed structure in this event, only small planes were considered in the initial development the towers.

i've somewhat been disappointed at the number of topics not pertaining to web development, seo, design or the like on this forum. from my experience on forums, not just this one, there are no converts so to speak, only arguments and disagreements that don't lead to anything positive. i personally, could have done without the personal opinions on these matters by some of you just as you are of mine. so with that, i will embrace my 'freedom' to believe what i choose to believe while you embrace what you believe and leave it at that.

thanks.

notepad · 02-14-2005, 11:47 AM

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i will embrace my 'freedom' to believe what i choose to believe while you embrace what you believe and leave it at that.

I can certainly respect you for doing that ...I only hope America stays intact so you can continue to do so.

Keep in mind that I feel there has been a great injustice done to the American people concerning this subject (of 911) and I truly want others to know what really happened.

This is no conspiracy theory ...everything is supported by solid science ...the only conspiracy happening is the one postured by the gov.

...in any event, thanks for your comments and have a nice day.

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