What Destroyed The World Trade Centers?

[gorillaboy]

Ferre, you just hate America and our freedoms!

"You are either with us...or you are with the terrorists!"

Fredom hater!

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Funny that Atom. I remember you getting mad at me for showing those same facts a few months after the 9/11 event.

It's not easy, specially for Americans 'peace of mind' to accept the truth about their government but there are too many ugly facts and too many cover ups that have been blown away to pretend "not to know' anymore. Those who still trust their government are living in denial, nothing new btw, The Germans did that too many years ago.

Yeah, I remember. I was ignorant of some very important facts back then. And I'm not into denial (a very dangerous thing for me personally), so, I have simply come to accept what I believe is the truth, through the discovery of those facts.

[evilregis]

Originally Posted by Atom

hmm .. I wonder what prompted them to look into that? Seems insane.

I don't necessarily see that as insane. I actually think it could be an absolutely brilliant safety mechanism. If you think about what happened on that day, and with the tower designers saying that they had built the towers to withstand a plane strike. It is obvious they thought of the towers somehow, sometime suffering from possible breaches in structural integrity.

You can't have a building (let alone two) of that size falling over like a tree in the woods onto entire blocks of the city. So it doesn't seem entirely insane to me that there is a system possibly built into it to detonate explosions in the case of an emergency to cause the building to collapse onto itself rather than fall over.

Not saying that that is what happened, but it would, in that light, seem like a very responsible thing to do.

[Atom]

Yeah.

Notice I was careful to put "seems"?

And the reason I said "seems insane" is because it does. Think about it, people inside a building surrounded by explosive material. LOL

Now whether it in fact 'is' insane, I don't really know. I do wonder though, if it's true, why people weren't informed of the application of this tecnology.

[Ferre]

You can't have a building (let alone two) of that size falling over like a tree in the woods onto entire blocks of the city.

Very true, that's why buildings like that have more steel than concrete, that's why the steel colums of a building like that are made with steel that has to be tested and certified for its quality (all been done, btw) and that's why people like me knew those buildings where 'pulled' the moment they saw them fall on tv. There are quite a few architects in my family and just spoken on the phone with one of them who tells me there's no way that explosives would have been build in those buildings from the start, Buildings like that get a construction that can handle much more than it can possible endure in its lifetime. this "build in explosives" story reeks as another distortion to have people to look for ghosts instead of the truth.

Funny that btw, I still remember my very first thoughts when I heard the news on the radio at 9/11. My very first thoughts were; "****, those *******s (CIA/FEDS/BUSH, anyway, INSIDE people) have no scruples at all, they'll attack and kill their own people for their rotten political games, I wonder who they are going to blaim.", funny that only one hour after the first attack I already heard a speech on the radio here in Holland from Hilary Clinton who seemed to know exactly who to blaim and that speech was very damn well prepared for a speech as a reaction on something that just had happened.

It became all a lot more clear to me when I heard that speech beeing repeated (with very slight changes) by as well republicans as democrats in the next couple of hours from all sides of the US. (planned, LOL, they are SOO stupid!) Can you imagine, the propaganda machine started that fast and even reached Europe, only here people listen with different ears, not emotionally involved so it all sounds like a scam, which it is actually.

The same day I already spoke with many people about the event here in Holland and we all agreed on one thing, "The USA has pulled it (9/11) themself to get an excuse for world domination and starting wars all over, specially wars on abstract entities like "terrorists", never ending, everyone is the enamy and new enamies are made up very easy (THAT we have learned by now didn't we?).

When you look at events from a distance without emotional involvment they are a lot more clear than when you are in the middle of an event and emotionally involved. Looking at it from here there never was any doubt about it being an inside job, not for a second and every official explaination afterwards has only confirmed this even more.

At the same time America had a fascist coup, I wonder how much time it will take before the awareness about that will come with the general public because the brainwash/propaganda machine in the States is functioning very well I must say. People in the States really believe what they are told.

[evilregis]

Originally Posted by atom

I do wonder though, if it's true, why people weren't informed of the application of this tecnology.

That is a very good question.

But why would they not be documented within the construction plans and such? And if they did exist, why not just say that. I don't think it's unreasonable to say, yes, we destroyed the two towers out of safety for the citizens of New York. The temperatures reached within the building were likely enough to cause some structure damage to the building which may have led it to breaking off and falling over. The destruction of that would have been enormous, so we triggered a series of explosives which were built into the towers to prevent such a thing from occurring.

Surely there will still be those (possibly myself, still) who question what exactly went down on that day and those leading up to it... but on the face, I'm sure it would appease most people. It seems like a logical plan of action in that case.

How many more would have died had those buildings tipped to one side and collapsed onto the city blocks? All of that weight? Subways would have collapsed, many more buildings would have been lost. Many more bystanders. I don't think it would have been a tough sell.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

People in the States really believe what they are told.

There are lots of things that I'm told that I do not believe.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by evilregis

.. if they did exist, why not just say that.

I can just imagine the answer to that one, if it's proven and they're forced to explain.

[gorillaboy]

Ferre, it's only getting worse!

Some US university professor was vilified in the media and eventually fired for an essay he wrote about "9-11" over two years ago. It's a landmark book-burning and marks the beginning of the purge of anyone seen as being unpatriotic and politically incorrect.

The media is now policing the people. Citizens are even policing other citizens to an extent. This is exactly what our government wants. It's unebelieveable!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Congress didn't have to do anything! All it takes is Fox News.

and that's why people like me knew those buildings where 'pulled' the moment they saw them fall on tv.

Lots of people I know thought the same thing. But that hasn't really been mentioned much since then. Nobody wants to believe that our gov't would do such a thing. I think a lot of people in the back of their minds know that (to some degree) we're being lied to.

Nonetheless, we will go from country to country hunting down the people that committed these atrocities!

And as long as gasoline is cheap- WE DON'T GIVE A **** WHAT HAPPENS!

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

People in the States really believe what they are told.

Originally Posted by Atom

There are lots of things that I'm told that I do not believe.

Looks like Gorillaboy is another one.

[Ferre]

Funny thing that, when you think about it, the American government loves to use "wording" in their propaganda process, like the use of the words "terrorists", "Insurgents" and such (just the same way as the good old USSR was doing btw).

Those words usually stand for something else and you need to translate them to get to their true meaning, like their use of the word "WMD's"

The search for WMD's remember? "We will find the WMD's",

Now "WMD's" turned out to be another word for "phantom".

The USA has started a war searching for "phantoms" and has "rationalised" this war towards their people giving it a very scary name, you must admit, "WMD's" sounds a lot more scary than "phantoms" but still they are both one and the same.

Weird eh, what you can do with words, as I said, the US government is a master in using words.

edit: AND emotions!

[cbolts]

who wants to start an uprising?

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

People in the States really believe what they are told.

Lots of people in the States question their government, and "really" do not "believe what they are told", Ferre. Honestly.

I've heard many many people here accusing politicians and public officials of lieing, and they do not "believe what they are told" by them.

[cbolts]

I dont think he means every single one, but the vast majority must if these guys are still in office.

[Ferre]

Yeah, I generalized Atom, I know that at least half of the American people know how they are scammed, that proved the last election. The last election also proved scamming is getting common by the government, they don't even bother to cover it up anymore, talking about confidence.

You can say whetever you want bro, but these are interesting times we're living in.

[Ferre]

Question: How can, if nobody in a country knows anyone, no friends, no family, really nobody who voted for X, this same X can still turn out to be the winner of a presidential election?

Answer: Only in America.