What Destroyed The World Trade Centers?

[Ferre]

Iraq war was illegal, British court told. It looks like Tony Blair is already getting the legal heat in England, more investigations will follow and remember there is a court case against a few American politicians for war crimes in Germany too.

I don't know about the American media, but here in Europe there is not much covering up anymore about the facts, everyone is getting fed up with American war crimes and lies. Not to mention the kidnapping and torturing of innocent people all over the world.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...britainjustice

Justice will catch up with them in the end, I'm pretty sure of that, we'll have a second Neurenberg in the near future.

Did you know btw that the neocons feel it comming already and are preparing to flee to Tasmania. Australia?

[ash]

Forgive my Ignorance but I was wondering if anyone here knew the official body count in the end after the Sept. 11th Disaster.

I heard varying reports but I never found out how big it was. Sorry if this is a bit morbid...

Im in no means trying to make light of the tragedy.

[cbolts]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Iraq war was illegal, British court told. It looks like Tony Blair is already getting the legal heat in England, more investigations will follow and remember there is a court case against a few American politicians for war crimes in Germany too.

I don't know about the American media, but here in Europe there is not much covering up anymore about the facts, everyone is getting fed up with American war crimes and lies. Not to mention the kidnapping and torturing of innocent people all over the world.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...britainjustice

Justice will catch up with them in the end, I'm pretty sure of that, we'll have a second Neurenberg in the near future.

Did you know btw that the neocons feel it comming already and are preparing to flee to Tasmania. Australia?

I'm in Canada and we get canadian and american media. I hear a bit of both sides of the story. Fox, and CNN to a degree praise bush more than anything. Canadian shows and news do cover the truth and let the public know about whats really going on.

Americans...does your media at all criticize the bush admin?

[South]

Originally Posted by cbolts

I'm in Canada and we get canadian and american media. I hear a bit of both sides of the story. Fox, and CNN to a degree praise bush more than anything. Canadian shows and news do cover the truth and let the public know about whats really going on.

Americans...does your media at all criticize the bush admin?

Are you kidding? Do you ever see American network news? They've gone so far out of the way to bash Bush that people have lost jobs for reporting bogus news when they can't get real dirt.

NPR, our National Public Radio is very pro-liberal / anti-bush.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by ash

Forgive my Ignorance but I was wondering if anyone here knew the official body count in the end after the Sept. 11th Disaster.

I heard varying reports but I never found out how big it was. Sorry if this is a bit morbid...

Im in no means trying to make light of the tragedy.

The 9/11 attacks caused unprecedented damage to the lives, property and livelihoods of New York residents. According to the most recent database at www.september11victims.com, used as a source by the government-appointed National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (known variously as the "9/11 Commission" or "Kean Commission", and herein designated as the Kean Commission), there were 2,996 murdered in the September 11 attacks—2,626 dead or missing at the World Trade Center, 125 at the Pentagon, and 245 on the four airliners. Risk and security analysts estimate life insurance, worker's compensation, property damage, and business/rental interruption costs at $55-70 billion, including $32 billion in documented insurance losses alone. In addition, the cost of the airline "bailout" package by the federal government is estimated at $2 to $5 billion. This is in addition to a vast array of other economic damages following from the attacks. (See, Appendix 1: "Taxonomy of Damages Resulting From September 11" and Appendix 2: New York State Assembly Economic Report: "New York City and September 11").

[gorillaboy]

The government really screwed NY too- HARD!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...type=printable

[notepad]

From 911research.wtc7.net...

The March edition of Popular Mechanics magazine has sunk to an all time low by supporting the government's false claim that fire and planes brought down the World Trade Center Towers.



This article has a page of Editor's Notes, "The Lies Are Out There," written by James Meigs (pictured above), whose previous columns have praised military technology (such as the UAVs used in Fallujah). Meigs places outside of society anyone who questions the official version of events of 9/11/01.

Besides trashing the skeptics, and conflating "this country" with its corrupt leaders, Meig's piece attempts to legitimatize PM's "investigation." It reads:

"We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by the conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood, or deliberately falsified."

This sounds impressive, but the article provides no evidence to back up these claims. It provides no footnotes to source its many assertions, and despite the scores of experts listed in its final section, the article cites only a few "experts," who would themselves likely be suspects if normal criminal justice procedures were used to investigate the crime.

Read Jim Hoffman of 911 Research rebuttal

Online Edition of the Popular Mechanics Article

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[notepad]

The above Popular Mechanics' article obviously proves how important it is (to the guilty parties who orchestrated the demolitions) to maintain the lie concerning 911 ...to continue distributing misinformation to the general population about what really happened on that day.

If the administration and its Controllers were truly crafty, they'd just keep their mouths shut and not bring further attention to 911. Instead, they have accomplished the opposite with this article.

[gorillaboy]

Well, honestly this issue is picking up some steam and they can't ignore it anymore.

They'll have to start another war to divert the public's attention.

[notepad]

I'd have to say we're already in a war, we're already under siege ...people in America are already being attacked on a thousand different fronts ...not over seas, not in a foreign land ...not against any "terrorists" this administration created ...the war is being waged right here in the U.S., right here in our own back yard, every moment of everyday.

The citizens of this country are so jaded, so misinformed, so lost and so overwhelmed that they misjudge the dark force which intends to suck the life from them ...they even defend their executioners and refuse to see the truth ...they don't even realize their freedoms are being eroded away ...they are so "entertained" that they prefer to ignore the signs all around them ...they have truly become like livestock being led to slaughter ...that is what's truly sad.

...no need to start another war, the main battle is happening right here, right now.

[gorillaboy]

Like I said, if our way of life is not changed and gas prices stay low- NOBODY GIVES A **** about any of this other stuff!

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Atom

" According to reports by workmen, they recovered molten steel in the basements. This was key evidence that had been found at a crime scene; yet it was literally stolen by the FBI and shipped immediately to Japan where it was hurriedly reconstituted at a scrap metal plant; nonetheless, it was seen by hundreds of workmen who had extracted it from the basement ruins. Physicists, fire engineers, and metallurgists all over the country were salivating over the chance to examine this extraordinary molten steel. These groups of scientists are uniformly furious at the White House for destroying such valuable evidence. The 9/11 official investigation managed to ignore such minor details."

The fact that there was MOLTEN steel found below the WTC Towers FIVE weeks after 911 proves that the government's "official" 911 Commission report was bogus ...jet fuel burning together with other debri CANNOT even can close to the temperatures required to melt steel into a liquid.

By the way, the molten steel issue along with THE LAW OF GRAVITY (which automaically refutes the "pancaking" theory by the "experts") were both conveniently avoided in the March 2005 Popular Mechanics magazine article.

[Ferre]

I have seen a website that gives a huge $$$ reward for anyone who can prove scientifical that the "official" version is correct. I lost the URL but I'm sure it is still out there, PM magazine could claim that money if their theory is really solid.

There has been some research in Spain by a university on the 9/11 event and according to that Spanish University (they also did special research on pictures and film from the event) there is a lot of fake evidence and lies from official sources. Funny that, only if you watch news in the English language you get all those crap lies and spin.

I think that a criminal investigation into the members of the 9/11 commission would be a good idea too btw.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Ferre

I have seen a website that gives a huge $$$ reward for anyone who can prove scientifical that the "official" version is correct. I lost the URL but I'm sure it is still out there, PM magazine could claim that money if their theory is really solid.

There has been some research in Spain by a university on the 9/11 event and according to that Spanish University (they also did special research on pictures and film from the event) there is a lot of fake evidence and lies from official sources. Funny that, only if you watch news in the English language you get all those crap lies and spin.

I think that a criminal investigation into the members of the 9/11 commission would be a good idea too btw.

The guy who was offering the $ reward was Jimmy Walter of http://reopen911.org/. I think he still is. Walter has already spent millions of his own personal fortune publicizing the 911 atrocities and helping to spread the truth about that day's events.

by Jim Walter:
$100,000 REWARD to the first person to deliver a full mathematical, engineering proof of how the impact and/or fires caused any of the WTC buildings to collapse the way the government claims! It must include all the fuel, mass, critical temperatures, likely temperatures and their causes, energy needed to crush concrete into fine powder, force needed to sheer bolts and rivets, time calculations, and all the other relevant data in a detailed analysis to be reviewed by accredited engineers on a team headed by Jeff King, engineer and doctor educated at MIT.

You can see and hear more about Jim Walter here: http://reopen911.org/news_events.htm


Some news articles here:
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modul...hp?storyid=999

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...bush_admin.htm

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[Atom]

Originally Posted by Ferre

PM magazine could claim that money if their theory is really solid.

Good point.

I simply flat out refuse to overlook the fact that there are so many simple questions that have been put to the 911 commission that either went unanswered, or recieved impossible answers (lies), and thus my vote.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Atom

Good point.

I'd add a $1,000 bucks of my own money to see PM magazine even try. They are cowards, like the snakes they represent. Money means more to them than doing the right thing.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by notepad

I'd add a $1,000 bucks of my own money to see PM magazine even try. They are cowards, like the snakes they represent. Money means more to them than doing the right thing.

As is the case with 99+% of enforcers, I'm sure. A few thousand people ain't no skin off their back, right?

If I had 1000 bucks I'd offer it to anyone that could melt a section of steel beam 1/2 the size that those were with jet fuel.

I don't care if you ignite a gallon, or 1000 gallons of jet fuel at once, the temperature will not even begin to approach any where even close to the temperature required to melt steel, period.

Not only were these large pools of melted steel found, they were illegally removed from the scene of the crime.

[notepad]

Originally Posted by Atom

As is the case with 99+% of enforcers, I'm sure. A few thousand people ain't no skin off their back, right?

If I had 1000 bucks I'd offer it to anyone that could melt a section of steel beam 1/2 the size that those were with jet fuel.

I don't care if you ignite a gallon, or 1000 gallons of jet fuel at once, the temperature will not even begin to approach any where even close to the temperature required to melt steel, period.

My friend, you just said a mouthful ...that's for sure!