Justifications for War - Page 5

evilregis · 03-22-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

No. Africa as well. That was a total shame. Genocide happening while the whole world watched, and nobody did anything.

Should be: That is a total shame. Genocide happening while the whole world watches, and nobody does anything.

Nothing has changed in Darfur. There's no past tense there but for the many murdered.

gorillaboy · 03-22-2005, 09:16 AM

And nobody will ever step into fight a war in Africa. Especially since the US is trying to dismantle the UN. PIGS!

littleFella · 03-22-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gorillaboy

And nobody will ever step into fight a war in Africa. Especially since the US is trying to dismantle the UN. PIGS!

You are too harsh.
There needs to be a justification for war. Ber patient. Geological companies are working hard to give that reason to all the peace loving governments.

gorillaboy · 03-22-2005, 09:23 AM

True!

I just think it's funny that people are actually DUPED into believing that the US goes to war to help OTHER people/countries.

littleFella · 03-22-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gorillaboy

True!

I just think it's funny that people are actually DUPED into believing that the US goes to war to help OTHER people/countries.

It is certainly surprising. Especially when you consider that another "peace loving" country had people believe axactly the same, and the US condemned theem for that.

In this regard, there is no difference between the US and the former USSR. I was being forced to be a part of the communist histeria because my country was occupied by the soviets. They tried toconvince me the USSR was the ultimate promise of freedom, love and eternal peace. We didn't buy it.

Too many Americans think the same about their country. They are such an excellent target for propaganda. The US appears to be a propaganda minister's dream come true. Luckilly, some are more reasonable than that, such as those who actually fought for "freedom":

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to ... It may seem odd for me, a military man, to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to do so. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service, and during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession, I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

Thus I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for National City Bank boys (Citicorp) to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1902 to 1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. In China in 1927, I helped see to it that the Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
Major General Smedley Butler (1934)

awall19 · 03-23-2005, 07:07 PM

so long as we are framing things...

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Pacifists never stopped Hitler. Pacifists never stopped Saddam.

Pacifists never stopped Bush.

pinkfluffybunny · 03-23-2005, 08:31 PM

Oh I get it if we don't go in and kick their asses we are the bad guys and if we do we are the bad guys.

I say we hit those swiss bastards next....lol
overpriced watch making ..............

**John Scott** · 01-06-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by awall19

so long as we are framing things...

Pacifists never stopped Bush.

Right, you win. Pacificists are useless.

Ferre · 01-06-2006, 04:49 PM

Ah, bumbing old treads!BUMP, BUMP.

Atom · 01-06-2006, 05:33 PM

I'll admit that war does seem necessary, but I'm having difficulty coming up with the justifications. My mind just keeps focusing on the fact that nukes are part of the equasion, and then I find myself in a state of apathy thinking about just that.

Michael Allison · 01-06-2006, 05:52 PM

Well, since your bumping old posts...

The latest American misadventure will end up biting us in the ass. You can see it happening already.

The only reason all those people are dying is greed. If that's a good reason for war, then I guess it's justified.

What I can't stand is anyone so naive as to believe that we are over in Iraq on some sort of humanitarian mission. The current administration is about as humanitarian as Soviet Russia was "in the good old days" And the current president more closely resembles Stalin than he does any of his American predecessors.

Don't tell me that Iraq just happens to be sitting on 20% of the world's oil and it just happens to be the cheapest oil in the world to get out of the ground. Anyone who tries to sell me on the humanitarian angle is wasting their time. If we were truly humanitarian, we would be in Darfur, not Iraq.

It's a sad state of affairs and I'm sure the Founding Fathers are rolling in their collective graves. This whole war reeks of fascism and greed and old King George, himself, by God. It's terribly sad how it's come full circle and the oppressed has become the oppressor.

It troubles me deeply what my country has become. But, the truth is, it didn't start out that way. America was made by radicals and visionaries who would never have stood for this escapade.

-Michael

Ferre · 01-06-2006, 06:00 PM

Oh well, the next targets are Iran and Syria, I'm already observing what justification will be hyped for those occasions.

Atom · 01-06-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferre

Oh well, the next targets are Iran and Syria, I'm already observing what justification will be hyped for those occasions.

Well I'm thinking that it'll be the US and some others not wanting them to have nuke weapon capabilities. Everyone knows that exploiting valuable resources will be wrong and even criminal, but aside from that for a moment .. if the nuke build-up is for real, is this reason enough? This is the question that I ponder.

**John Scott** · 01-06-2006, 06:10 PM

See, bumping threads can be good.

Pretend · 01-06-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Allison

It troubles me deeply what my country has become. But, the truth is, it didn't start out that way. America was made by radicals and visionaries who would never have stood for this escapade.

-Michael

Truthfully, Michael, I think that's one reason why our country is the way it is.

America was founded by radicals, for radicals, upon radical ideas. (For that time at least) Now, US citizens think that because of that, radical ideas are peachy keen, they think "I'm American, I can do whatever I want."

That isn't the case.

I seriously believe that the US needs to stop trying to be so damned "politically correct" and straighten itself out. I think we might need to spend a little more money on preaching to parents how to raise their children, stress one-income families and stay-at-home parents, and let the teachers actually enforce disapline like they used to be able to.

I'll tell you this, OSS, ISS, detentions, etc. don't do a damned thing. I've only had one ISS and one detention in my life, but I know plenty of others that have probably had, over the coarse of time, a whole school year worth of ISS, OSS, etc.

Simply put, America needs two wonderful things... two wonderful things that seem to have vanished somewhere along the line: common sense and morals.

identity_00 · 01-06-2006, 08:24 PM

I am not a history buff but do you think wars (in the past) have only made our society better? Havent we advanced in many ways including more freedom and possibly more security?

Has anything really been given without bloodshed?

Atom · 01-06-2006, 09:32 PM

I think that many people have the old idea of "war" stuck in their heads. It's really not that that I'm worried about. There is a threat that looms so large that it really can't even be imagined by most, and it is a devastation that is virtually as yet unknown, and if unleashed, will not be like what we have known as war, not at all. This is the threat that weighs heavy on my mind.

So make your money and have your children and have a wonderful life.

To invent a way to render nuclear weapons useless is to invent life itself at this stage of the game. I really think that the present nuclear threat that exists today is the most perilous but most overlooked issue mankind has known, or will ever know.

Atom · 01-06-2006, 09:48 PM

Disarmament? That's just a damned fairy tale. More than inventing a way to render these devises usless any day. That I'm afraid is how much faith I have in my fellow man. I hate to even think about this stuff really. Depresses the hell out of me, but it's where the money is, so to speak.

Or, we can eat, drink, screw and be merry, like we've been doing I suppose.

Oh but I'm just all gloom and doom right?

I just watched the movie 13 Days night before last. I'll tell ya, if that Cuban crisis had came down, we'd all know what gloom and doom really was, the ones left, I mean.

Does anyone here think that we would NOT have time to fire nukes if fired upon, or would NOT do so? Anyone?