Top 10 signs the USA is becomming a police state

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by Brian

Well, thankyou Ferre. I suppose I should have told you this sooner, but for the last three years I've felt like you've considered me unintelligent for being young. It has been a pent up issue of mine, so I'm glad it's finally cleared up.

Brian, I'm sorry if you had that impression, I regard you as one of my friends after all those years and never thought of you as immature in any way, I'm glad that this is settled now, I do respect your opinion and really enjoy your sense of humor, which is a reflexion of your intelligence and wise-ness.

[Trapper]

NOW we can sing Kumbaya

[cimmeron]

good answer Atom, wisdom is something you gain over time. Now, how you use it, is another thing...that's when intelligence comes into play

I don't like internet debates because you can't see the intention behind things...statements can come out extremely harsh when maybe you didn't mean it that way.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by cimmeron

I don't like internet debates because you can't see the intention behind things...statements can come out extremely harsh when maybe you didn't mean it that way.

Amen

[Ferre]

Read this article, it expresses the concearn that many people on our planet have regarding the USA and their wars...

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.p...60526025024988

What strikes me the most is the word DEHUMANIZATION, which is clearly part of the US foreign, and even inner politics (think about the amount of black people in US jails), they are very much busy with declaring many groups in our society as being "untermensch", something we all see happening and do nothing about.

Stuff like:

Iraqi civillian dead counts? No need, for they are "less human"
"Islam is dangerous" so it's not a problem to torture them muslims, afterall they are "terrorists"
etc..

[cimmeron]

I didn't read all of this yet, but something came to my mind as I was....

a big problem, as I see it, is that simply by the nature of writing, most authors cannot stay neutral in their position, so we read a lot of work that is labeled either right or left wing. I think that's unfortunate and makes it difficult for many people to discover what the real truth is...

just my

[Nick]

Originally Posted by cimmeron

I didn't read all of this yet, but something came to my mind as I was....

a big problem, as I see it, is that simply by the nature of writing, most authors cannot stay neutral in their position, so we read a lot of work that is labeled either right or left wing. I think that's unfortunate and makes it difficult for many people to discover what the real truth is...

just my

Exactly, looking at the web address raises some flags too....

[Trapper]

What? vivelecanada. I didn't even look at it, but what is your issue with the web address?

edit: Looked at it. Sorry that another country other than US can be patriotic.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by Nick

Exactly, looking at the web address raises some flags too....

Those web addresses contained government documents that are in public domain because the ACLU has sued the state to release those documents.

Are those documents that prove the fact that the torture was commited with knowledge and approval from the white house biased?

[Nick]

What? vivelecanada. I didn't even look at it, but what is your issue with the web address?

Nothing wrong with it. But if I see a web address like peacewomen.org, i think i can regard that as bias.

Originally Posted by Ferre

Those web addresses contained government documents that are in public domain because the ACLU has sued the state to release those documents.

Are those documents that prove the fact that the torture was commited with knowledge and approval from the white house biased?

With a twist or opinionated...

[cimmeron]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Those web addresses contained government documents that are in public domain because the ACLU has sued the state to release those documents.

Are those documents that prove the fact that the torture was commited with knowledge and approval from the white house biased?

my only comment is that the article has a tone throughout, which tends to stop being reporting the facts and moves into bias. That, to me, leads to people dismissing what a particular writer might submit simply because the writer is considered to be favoring a particular side (which you know, most really do).

To me, what we need is real unbiased reporting of the facts...again, my opinion.

[Ferre]

What's biased when it comes down to exposing crimes?

Lately every time another crime from the white house is proved, the crime gets less attention than the source that brings the news, that's what happened to our society, there's a name for that and it's called debunking, the US administration spends millions of dollars to debunk real facts by attacking the sources, we see the results of their work on our forums, where people deny facts solely because they claim that the source is "left wing".

How brainwashed can you get?

As an example I'll give you a "left wing" source of REAL FACTS, all documemted and historically correct, but there are people who will distract from this article by saying that it is biased. That doesn't change the facts, but will make the source suspicious and that's all they want, to demonize the bringers of bad news.

Read this here:

http://www.augustreview.com/index.ph...b&tid=4&pid=13

Is this article biased, sure it is, but that does not change the fact that its full of histortical facts and it does give you an idea of what's going on in this world that we don't see on the news every day, or learn at school.

Then there are those folks who make "conspiracy theories" rediculous, while they forget that even ordinairy criminals are accused of conspiracy every single day by the government, conspiracy to sell drugs, conspiracy to commit fraude, etc. All very normal in every day juridical language, even the attack on the twin towers was a conspiracy, but when people ask questions about WHO actually conspired they suddenly get waved away as being "theorists", again, how stupid can it get.

Remember that watergate was a conspiracy and that all the support from the USA to groups like the contras in El Salvador for example are also conspiracies, acting as if the US government isn't able to do that is just plain naive and stupid and shows a lack of historical knowledge.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Nick

What's wrong now?

[cimmeron]

all very good points; all I'm saying is that reporter A and reporter B can take the same set of facts and report them on a different slant, lending support to either cause A or cause B depending on what they want to prove. I don't have any proof of that right here in front of me, but it's a weekend and I'm not feeling particularly like researching

[Dustin07]

It's funny but I just noticed that on our forums the pro bush people are usually young kids who know little about life, as soon as people have a little knowledge of history and real life you find less sympathy for Bush.

LOL, and the anti- Bush people are usually old pot smoking hippies? That's too general of a statement. There are respectable people on this forum who are pro bush, and there are respectable people here that are anti Bush. You for instance. I like you, just don't agree with your political or drug views. I've seen young folks on here with more wisdom then people twice their age. And I've seen people in their 40's and 50's with Wisdom you'd have to live to be 200 to have. Age allows a person to experience more, but I'm not convinced it makes them wiser.

How much worse does it have to get before the American public takes back their country from the corporates?

It will probably happen when we stop living the good life. When suddenly nobody can get a job, meal, or dry bed. When we can no longer drive to work and are forced to house soldiers. When we suddenly start working 80 hour work weeks for 20hours worth of pay, and when government officials start abusing, stealing and raping our family without any consequence. But as it is right now? America's a pretty sweet place to be.

[Ferre]

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=9817

Diesel-powered trucks, each costing to the tune of $440,000 and paid for by federal Homeland Security Act grants, are setting up shop in our states. It is reported that these “communications” vehicles should help police and “other officials” to better communicate to respond to ”flooding, ice storms, tornadoes, major crashes, terrorist attacks or other disasters.” Law-enforcement officials will have the ability to access the Internet, fax, copy, print digital photographs, and to put officials on the same radio frequencies so they can easily communicate. It is reported that these communications vehicles also contain a conference room and a crime lab. This is the released-for-public-consumption information about these vehicles - and all for the good of American people – just like fluorinated water and the mental health screening of 52 million of our children…

[Atom]

Originally Posted by cimmeron

good answer Atom, wisdom is something you gain over time. Now, how you use it, is another thing...that's when intelligence comes into play

True, that does come into play, but then it becomes a different story too, one that I have purposely not touched on lest I confuse my point. One doesn't need intelligence to have wisdom. The wisdom that I am referring to simply happens, it happens to virtually everyone, it just occurrs from sheer accumulation of experiences alone, you can sometimes even see it in a persons face. I for one am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I can confirm that.

Keep in mind though, that my posts have been regarding this thing called wisdom that happens to people as they age, not intelligence. But I do agree with you and if you're not smart then you'll be at a disadvantage whether you have