Top 10 signs the USA is becomming a police state

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

It's not a police state. The article states "becoming" a police state, and lists 10 things, real things, which are happening, and how these can lead onto something bigger. Doesn't mean it WILL. It is simply a possibility observed from current world events. Don't know how anyone can disregard it as bull.

Because it's pure opinion. You can't say facts are facts when they are based on an author's observations.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Nick

Do you really think I would paint a hitler stache on my own presidents face?

Oh, ok ... I didn't even notice that it was Bushy in an Adolf-stache.

[SVB]

Originally Posted by Nick

SUCH A CREDITABLE SOURCE

http://buffalobeast.com/

Enough said...

Ah, so the Patriot Act and Touchscreen Voting Systems are made up because it was written by someone from that website. Now I get you. You fail to see what the point of the article is. Facts are stated, which lead onto possibilities. How someone can disagree with the facts is beyond my understanding.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

Ah, so the Patriot Act and Touchscreen Voting Systems are made up because it was written by someone from that website. Now I get you. You fail to see what the point of the article is. Facts are stated, which lead onto possibilities. How someone can disagree with the facts is beyond my understanding.

Dude, it's the Buffalo beast. Read some more articles and tell me The Beast isn't a bit biased.

[SVB]

Why does it matter if it is biased. Facts are not affected by bias. Possibilities are. But possibilities follow a logic and can be countered, but cannot be dismissed. They are possibilities not certainties. Big difference.

[Atom]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

It's not a police state. The article states "becoming" a police state, and lists 10 things, real things, which are happening, and how these can lead onto something bigger. Doesn't mean it WILL. It is simply a possibility observed from current world events. Don't know how anyone can disregard it as bull.

Good point, ok thanks for pointing that out. I didn't read it this time but I did the last time it was posted a while back ... pretty sure this is the one (= not sure if this is the same one .. LOL).






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[Nick]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

Why does it matter if it is biased. Facts are not affected by bias. Possibilities are. But possibilities follow a logic and can be countered, but cannot be dismissed. They are possibilities not certainties. Big difference.

Facts are very much affected by a bias author. Look at the news today, the "facts" you see are twisted and we are all misinformed. There is no good in media, because if everything was good and dandy, the media would not be making money.

Controversy = money ... War = money + hate

The Media is so corrupt and money driven, they no longer do the public any good.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by Izzmo

I'm sorry.. but that's utter bullcrap. Sure, it may be true, but who actually is "asking" the people that live here? I don't see anyone. I feel good, I feel free, I can do basically whatever I want and get away with it for the most part. You guys in Amsterdam have a totally different lifestyle, it can't be compared, your laws are way different, and you know they are.

My 2 cents.

Our laws are not much different , Both the Netherlands and the US have signed the Universal declaration of Human Rights, both our countries have signed the treaties at the Geneva Convention.

The only difference is that the Dutch are less gullible and don't take crap from the people who work for them.

Dutch politicians can't get away with lies and deceiving, They are in our service, not the other way around like the states where people more and more are in service of the state. How rediculous can it get? Imagine that you own a busyness and the person you hire to manage it starts to tell you how to behave and spy on you. That's the situation in the US.

[Trapper]

Come on Nick. Debate the facts not the source.

Originally Posted by Nick

You are a prime example of why the media is such a success these days.

BTW where do you get your information if not the media? That's what pisses me off about your argument. You are getting your info from as just a biased source as Ferre. Only difference is Ferre is giving you info to debate and you have yet to source any argument you've made. Source Bill O'Friggin Reilly for all I care. Let me see some counter points.

[Ferre]

Bill O'Reilly is a nutter, he can't debate either, always insults his guests when they don't agree with his pathetic visions.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Bill O'Reilly is a nutter, he can't debate either, always insults his guests when they don't agree with his pathetic visions.

Look in the mirror, buddy

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Trapper

Come on Nick. Debate the facts not the source.

BTW where do you get your information if not the media? That's what pisses me off about your argument. You are getting your info from as just a biased source as Ferre. Only difference is Ferre is giving you info to debate and you have yet to source any argument you've made. Source Bill O'Friggin Reilly for all I care. Let me see some counter points.

You guys just don't get it. The source has the power to alter the facts to support their arguments.

Do you personally know a soldier who has been to iraq? If you do, tell me what they've said. Is it all negative? No, it's 10x better than what the media plays it as. If thats not a creditable source, I don't know what is.

Bill O'Reilly isn't news...that's one sided. I don't get my information from him, thank you very much.

[Ferre]

LOL, one of our bushlovers just gave me red for starting this topic.

..I gave him some more green

[South]

"Police state" is a bit dramatic, but let's be honest Ferre. I like you alot but you are given to drama. I live here every day. I'm not a kid, I'm not uninformed, and I'm not stupid. Too much apathy for too many years put us in the position we're in now.

We've got a massive immigration problem that's putting a back-breaking strain on our union. We've got some serious bada$$es that hate us and think killing is cool. The enemy is all around us and has shown us they don't mind getting ugly.

So what do you do?

Suspend freedom to weed out the enemy?

Preserve freedom and surrender security?

Government does nothing and get's accused of "allowing it to happen". Government does something and is accused of "creating a police state".
Top that off with with a bunch of conspiricy theorists accusing them of causing the worlds problems no matter what.

No matter what you think of our foreign actions, our domestic situation is a mess with no right answers.

I for one say preserve the freedom and surrender the security.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by southnow

I for one say preserve the freedom and surrender the security.

That's my opinion too, I rather have some risk in my life than being spied upon and monitored.

C'mon, let's take the statistics, the chanse to become a victim of a terrorist act is smaller than getting hit by a frikkin airplane, when you really calculate the risk according to the statistics the risk is less than ZERO to ever become a victim of a terrorist attack, people take loads more risk by just breathing our polluted air.

The US government has been fear mongering like a scared baby and the whole world has to follow their way of thinking, that's what strikes me as totally absurd.

Before 9/11 there also was terrorism, we had terrorism in Holland, Germany, Italy, England and a few other countries but only since the US started their war it suddenly became a military issue, before that time terrorists were considered as ordinairy criminals, which they are, and it was a task for the police to track them down, which makes a lot more sense then bombing countries because they might have some terrorists.

Did the police track down Terrorists in Europe? YES, many, they cougt about every organisation, they also caught the CIA and their operation GLADIO bombing Italy, that was an American operation to force political change.

Read about GLADIO here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

What also striked me was the fact that the former Afghan regime had stated that they would deliver Bin Laden to the US if the US could give some prove that he did it, instead of giving that prove they attacked the country. The world is still waiting for the US to show that evidence btw, and Bin Laden stated that he did NOT do it. Sure there are all those fake Bin Laden tapes that have been proven to be false but they always pop up when it's conveniant for the Bush administration. (makes you wonder also)

How stupid do they think we (the rest of the world) are?

[Kalina]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

Are you joking? What country doesn't spin the news? Give me a break!!!! You act like we are the only ones that have a government that is less than honest. I'm about sick of coming into this forum and seeing a new thread everyday by people who do not even live in this country putting it down. It's pathetic.

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, which I will be going back to do, but I simply wanted to state, sometimes it takes an outsider to see what's going on and it's happening, why live in denial? You're not free there whatsoever.