Top 10 signs the USA is becomming a police state - Page 7

cbolts · 05-28-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

I am not free where? I am plenty free in America. There is not a country that has 100% freedom to do what they want. People throw the word free around like we should have no laws and blah blah blah. I am not oppressed, I am not in denial, and I am not living in a police state.

Can I ask what you think of the US government's wiretapping? Do you not see this as an invasion of privacy? Or are you so compliant that you believe it is helping fight the war on terror?

BTW hows that war on terror going anyways?

Ohiosweetheart · 05-28-2006, 06:03 PM

I don't mind it at all. I don't have anything to hide.

BTW... if you think the wiretapping began with THIS administration, you need to think again.

Ohiosweetheart · 05-28-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colleen

And how can anyone defend a place where your life is not valued by your own government?

I have several very personal experiences that I could relate in which the government stepped in, to better my life. So please tell me, since I seem to have missed something... since when is my life not valued by my government?

Buskerdoo · 05-28-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohiosweetheart

BTW... if you think the wiretapping began with THIS administration, you need to think again.

Like...Clinton

http://www.fff.org/comment/ed0796b.asp

Ohiosweetheart · 05-28-2006, 06:22 PM

Bingo!

Perhaps if he'd spent more time on intelligence information about Al Queda, 9/11 might not have happened.
Oh wait, I forgot... that was Bush's fault.

Buskerdoo · 05-28-2006, 06:22 PM

Ferre

Time to spend more time looking in your own backyard:

Dutch Parliament Approves Wiretapping
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196687,00.html

In a 2003 report, the Max Planck Institute for Foreign and International Criminal Law in Germany put Italy at the top of the European wiretapping list followed by the Netherlands...
http://security.srijith.net/2006/04/...e-on-the-rise/

For Europeans, scolding the Bush administration for everything from Guantanamo to the Iraq War to secret CIA prisons has become a full-time job. But when it comes to the American scandal over President Bush's warrantless wiretaps, there's been a curious reaction from the other side of the Atlantic: silence. Where is the European outrage?

European restraint may arise from a fear of hypocrisy. The fact is that in much of Europe wiretapping is de rigueur...
http://www.slate.com/id/2136147/

Enjoy.

Also,
For those in the US that have not had the opportunity to travel overseas, don't believe any of the crap Ferre dishes out. I've traveled extensively and find the US the country of choice when it comes to freedom. Canada's not too bad either...

Buskerdoo · 05-28-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohiosweetheart

...Al Queda, 9/11 might not have happened.

Try not to waste too much of your time on 9/11 with some of this bunch. They believe it was a conspiracy...blah blah blah...and I'm waiting for space aliens to put the towers back and take this anti-US rabble into space.

Ohiosweetheart · 05-28-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

Try not to waste too much of your time on 9/11 with some of this bunch. They believe it was a conspiracy...blah blah blah...and I'm waiting for space aliens to put the towers back and take this anti-US rabble into space.

LOL...

cimmeron · 05-28-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Colleen

I'd have lost all sense of freedom while on a high floor of a tall building which my own government decided to smash planes into, then again I'd be dead.

are you trying to say that the US attacked itself?

Ohiosweetheart · 05-28-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cimmeron

are you trying to say that the US attacked itself?

I had to wonder at that one myself, lol

cbolts · 05-28-2006, 07:16 PM

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are you trying to say that the US attacked itself?

I also wondered about that, but then fox news told me it was Afgahns so now I know better!

Ohiosweetheart · 05-28-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cbolts

I also wondered about that, but then fox news told me it was Afgahns so now I know better!

lmao... good one

BamaStangGuy · 05-29-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Colleen

I'd have lost all sense of freedom while on a high floor of a tall building which my own government decided to smash planes into, then again I'd be dead.

Our Government did not smash planes into buildings. Terrorists from other countries did.

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I admired how Bush handled all the aftermath of 911, then he went War hungry, all that crap should be over with.

I will agree with you. I really admired him right after 9/11 but he has dropped the ball with handling the Iraq war.

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How are you free if you're spied on and monitored?

I have not been spied on and monitored.

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And how can anyone defend a place where your life is not valued by your own government?

Give me a break. No country is looking out for you. They are looking out for your wallet.

BamaStangGuy · 05-29-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cbolts

I also wondered about that, but then fox news told me it was Afgahns so now I know better!

Compared to some guy named Alex Jones telling you it was an elaborate conspiracy theory?

BamaStangGuy · 05-29-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cbolts

Can I ask what you think of the US government's wiretapping? Do you not see this as an invasion of privacy? Or are you so compliant that you believe it is helping fight the war on terror?

BTW hows that war on terror going anyways?

I'm compliant that it is only being used to track terrorists and not listen to me bitch on the phone to my friend about liberals and their wacky conspiracy theories.

The war on terror? It would be going a lot smoother if the rest of the world grew some balls and pitched in instead of leaving it up to the 3-4 countries to carry the load

They would rather just moan and cry about us than help us accomplish something though

**G10** · 05-29-2006, 03:14 AM

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Do you personally know a soldier who has been to iraq? If you do, tell me what they've said. Is it all negative? No, it's 10x better than what the media plays it as. If thats not a creditable source, I don't know what is.

Yes I do - My gf's cousin is in the Royal Marines out there and though they can't really talk much about it, what he does say is 'What a complete waste of time and resources' - Granted, thats his opinion.

Do you know how much hate a lot of the UK forces have towards this war especially as their government sent them out there to possibly die for their country and they didn't even issue them all the right equipment.

Ok, this has nothing to do with the police state, it just shows how little our government really cares for the lives of it's soldiers. I'll give the US this, at least your government equips your men better.

Just answering Nicks question.

tantantin · 05-29-2006, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by Bama
I have not been spied on and monitored.

Technically you have been. If I get your full name, address or SSN then I have sufficient information about you your whereabouts and career updates.

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Give me a break. No country is looking out for you. They are looking out for your wallet.

This is true and without exceptions.

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The war on terror? It would be going a lot smoother if the rest of the world grew some balls and pitched in instead of leaving it up to the 3-4 countries to carry the load

Other country has balls but its not their fight.