Top 10 signs the USA is becomming a police state

[cbolts]

Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

Ok guys. That was fun but it didn't get the reaction I was looking for...

My mother is a Canadian citizen. I like Canada other than I lose a lot of business to Canadian companies because of the exchange rate. But, that is a US thing, not a Canadian thing.

I was hoping someone could say something like.

"Canada and the U.S. have long been close allies, and Canada is of great importance to the United States, in that it is that country's largest trading partner and its guarantor of security on the long and largely undefended and indefensible border."

Don't try to tell me Canada is better off without the US.
Do you guys even understand what is going on in the world. Why did terrorist attack the US? What makes you think Canada is safe from the same?

I agree Canada would not be where we are today without the US. I think the main difference in our two nations world presence, besides amount of power, is the fact that America is seen as an aggressor and Canada doesn't have an aggressive political agenda. For an aggressor there will always be a fight to be fought.

Anyways I've got to duck out of this thread because I have tests to study for.

PS buskerdoo now I know you are at least half right

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by Zap

This one was just too good to pass on.
You DO realize that the US violated the will of the UN to invade Iraq? Right?

The will of the UN is not a UN resolution nor is it a law. I can't believe you just said what you did. We did not break any laws invading Iraq. How about we talk about the Goal of the UN instead? Maybe they should be more concerned about that?

Also you do remember the oil for food scandal, right? Guess that might explain the "will" they had for us not to go in

That was too good to pass up as well

You can't violate the will of the UN (and, indeed, the will of the nations of Earth) one day and then stand up as the defender of the UN the next day.
It doesn't work that way.

Yes you can. When you have actual resolutions stating do not do something and they continue to do it for 11 years, and then the very people that say you can not do that refuse to do anything about it someone has to do something. If the UN doesn't want to hold countries accountable for their actions then imo the US should withdraw from the UN and take care of shit ourselves. Of course that would only lead to people like you crying like little girls over the fact that we got fed up with the UN and it's like of "balls". Do not do this or else... we will hand you another resolution saying "do not do this or else"! It's LAUGHABLE.

So we can critize the UN and at the sametime hold up the resolutions they pass being that we are on the security council. You do realize that we did not have approval for ousting the leader of Yugoslavia correct? No one bitched then.

That last sentence was incomplete. It should have read...
"Instead you have Canada, Germany, France, Russia and China letting us take the heat for the problems we encounter during the invasion we undertook after we ignored and violated the will of those countries."

Oil For Food scandal. Their will was to keep dealing with Sadaam. Our will was to remove him after his repeated defiance.

Again, I feel bad for you. You seem like the type that just want to sit back and let people walk all over you. When you see something wrong and the majority are either dealing with the enemy or just don't care enough to do anything about it you would rather just not take the heat that would come with standing up for what is right, which is stopping hostile countries from gaining more power than they should, and lay back and let them do whatever they want.

You have shown this with Iran. Some countries object to pressure on Iran. You then do not wish the US to pressure them because people might not like us. Boo Hoo, too bad.

So, what punishment would you give to Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair for defying the UN back in March of 2003?

Nothing. He broke no resolution saying we could not invande because there was none. Just like Clinton went into Kosovo without written consent from the almighty UN in the 90's.

Again, I can't believe you just tried to make an arguement over doing something against the will of the UN when the very country we attacked actually broke more UN Resolutions than I can count yet what did you want to do with him? Spank him on his hand?

[Zap]

@BSGuy: You want to uphold the UN as lawmakers to be followed. But you also state that the US should defy the UN if it sees fit. Hypocritical. No?

[tantantin]

Originally posted by Bama
My phones have not been tapped by the government. Better? If they have then they got way too much time on their hands.

I'm not talking about your phoneline, its your personal information that could be easily accessed by any branch of government.

Sorry but Spain has plenty reason to join the war on terror. They have been attacked just like us. However, they have folded to the pressure and given in. Which is a shame.

I am not from Spain, but even if I was I wouldn't Bama. You know why, most of us in Oceania don't give a rats about war. Better spend it with a cocktail drink, music, roast pig and grilled seafood while enjoying the white sandy beaches with shades of coconut trees and a dip at the blue clearwater of the ocean. Besides I was born in the 60's and being a baby boomer we say PEACE BROTHER.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by Zap

@BSGuy: You want to uphold the UN as lawmakers to be followed. But you also state that the US should defy the UN if it sees fit. Hypocritical. No?

What I am saying is simply this:

If the UN wants to say to not do something and then after 11 years not do anything about it when the Country kicks out it's UN weapons inspectors and fires at allies planes on a daily basis, then yes the US should tell it to shove it up their ass and protect its interests.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by tantantin

I'm not talking about your phoneline, its your personal information that could be easily accessed by any branch of government.

http://whois.sc/mustangevolution.com everything but my social security number can be found there. If they want to mess with my social security number how can I possibly stop them since they are the ones that issue it in the first place?

I am not from Spain, but even if I was I wouldn't Bama. You know why, most of us in Oceania don't give a rats about war.

Well most of us in America don't give a rats ass about waking up and seeing our country being attacked either. So I prefer to do somethign about it. We just have to agree to disagree here. I am not one to sit back and let people run over us.

Better spend it with a cocktail drink, music, roast pig and grilled seafood while enjoying the white sandy beaches with shades of coconut trees and a dip at the blue clearwater of the ocean. Besides I was born in the 60's and being a baby boomer we say PEACE BROTHER.

Yet that does nothing to solve the problem of people flying planes into our buildings and Iran getting Nuclear Weapons.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

The will of the UN is not a UN resolution nor is it a law. I can't believe you just said what you did. We did not break any laws invading Iraq.

You are wrong.
On September 16, 2004 Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of the United Nations, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."
Sourced

If you want to put your other foot in your mouth, then we can talk about the "goal of the UN" and Bush's decision to invade Iraq, against the collective will of the UN.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by Zap

@BSGuy: You want to uphold the UN as lawmakers to be followed. But you also state that the US should defy the UN if it sees fit. Hypocritical. No?

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

What I am saying is simply this:

If the UN wants to say to not do something and then after 11 years not do anything about it when the Country kicks out it's UN weapons inspectors and fires at allies planes on a daily basis, then yes the US should tell it to shove it up their ass and protect its interests.

I'll take that as a Yes.

[tantantin]

how can I possibly stop them since they are the ones that issue it in the first place?

Thanks for answering your own question.

Well most of us in America don't give a rats ass about waking up and seeing our country being attacked either. So I prefer to do somethign about it. We just have to agree to disagree here. I am not one to sit back and let people run over us.

Sorry I am in America too. But I am an illegal alien. They have to issue me a visa first and my path to citizenship.Bwahahaha.

Iran getting Nuclear Weapons.

Oh, let them have it they deserve it.

[Buskerdoo]

I don’t really care too much what the UN has to say. I think it is a corrupt and out-of-date organization that has long surpassed its usefulness.

I also don't want any US decisions made by the UN.
Want some conspiracy? I think the UN will be the downfall of the US not the other way around.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

I don’t really care too much what the UN has to say. I think it is a corrupt and out-of-date organization that has long surpassed its usefulness.

I also don't want any US decisions made by the UN.
Want some conspiracy? I think the UN will be the downfall of the US not the other way around.

It would be nice if we could fix the UN, rather than abandon it. The world needs a governing body and a place where countries can voice concerns. Without one, we tend to get into world wars.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by Zap

I'll take that as a Yes.

Take it how you want.

I am basing my comments on the fact that the UN Security Council thought it important enough to tell them not to do something yet they did not want to do the dirty work.

If the UN Security council tells a country over 11 years to not do something and they continue to do it and not hold the country accountable then someone should do something.

Your question is an attempt to make me look bad and try to put a spin on my words. I could really careless. All I know is that: My view is that if the security council tells a country not to do something through countless UN resolutions that all the countries sign and agree on, then the country should be held accountable.

It is not hard to grasp. It really isn't.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by Zap

It would be nice if we could fix the UN, rather than abandon it. The world needs a governing body and a place where countries can voice concerns. Without one, we tend to get into world wars.

Yea right, just like it would be nice if you could remove all the Nuclear Weapons from the world?

Fixing the UN would take fixing the countries that it makes up. You can tackle that after you remove all the Nuclear bombs from the world.

And while you are completing your world peace mission I'll be supporting the US and going after the countries that are defying the UN and becomig hostile to us.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by tantantin

Thanks for answering your own question.

I am not saying they don't have my personal information. I am a citizen that is to be expected. I am not saying the government in the US is perfect. It is not. Just like every other country out there.

Oh, let them have it they deserve it.

No they don't