What about just leaving them alone and let them live their lives like they want?
Isn't that an option?
No, you dumbass. Terrorism is a crime, it is heinous and despicable. Anybody with half a conscience knows that. And you come along and suggest we just
"leave them alone", let them bomb murder our people, and get it out of their system?
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Originally Posted by Ferre
Most terrorism is a reaction to the decades of western interference with their lives. Once we stop doing that we might give time the chance to heal the wounds of decades of interference and looting that the west has done in the middle east.
Two things, Ferre.
One, even if there was negative Western influence in their lives, terrorism is not an answer. Murdering innocent civilians is not the correct way to do things. There are governent bodies to take legitimate complaints to, and if they so wish they can democratically elect a government to declare war on the countries responsible for the so called negative influence.
Two, no, no, no. Nagative influence? I love the way you rail against Christianity, and then put on the Michael Jackson gloves to deal with Muslim extremists who rejoice and the very idea of murdering a blonde haired child. Make up excuses for them all you want, but I don't see you offering your kids as a sacrifice to appease and "heal".
John dude, you make it sound as if ALL the Arab people are terrorists.
fact is that in the Arab world the terrorists are also a minority and fact is that Arab people are, in general, peace loving people who do not agree with terrorism. (just as everywhere else in the world)
The propaganda really did a good job on you if you regard the whole Arab world as terrorists.
terrorism is wrong, but bombing entire nations because they house a few terrorists is not the solution, we have to find another way...or loose.
Sure, even Egypt, but most countries, like Egypt, fight the terrorists. Their law enforcement does not condone or cooperate with the terrorists.
And yes, we should invade and fix the countries that do condone and support terrorism.
Couldn't agree more that we should stop do something about the coutries that condone terrorism John and is a great solution if the situation where that simple.
The UK still has certain fanatics that incite hatred towards the UK citizens. The police are aware of it and so is the Home Secretary but they do nothing about it.
Of course, when they are interviewed, the police etc say what a bad thing it is and how they are going to get tough on terrorism and it should be stopped but it still goes on and they do nothing - This has gone on for years. They have video footage and recordings as proof but still nothing.
This to me shows that the UK is harbouring terrorist groups, or at the very least, they are not deporting them back even though they tell the world how bad terrorism is.
I may be wrong here but in my eyes, this is classed as supporting terrorism.
What about just leaving them alone and let them live their lives like they want?
Isn't that an option?
Most terrorism is a reaction to the decades of western interference with their lives.
Desn't seem like an option to me.
People of your country die. Ignore?
Soldiers are kidnapped. "Leave them alone"?
Children are taught that Allah commands them to kill all jews. "let them live their lives like they want"?
Doesn't seem logical to me. Even if Israel would return to the 67th border - Terrorism will stop? Hamas would suddenly recognize us? Everyone will be happy? Perhaps we should give up the whole land. Go back to france and Germany.
As for your second opinion: There are plenty of ways to debate with a government. If the whole arabic-israelic situation would be treated with debates - it would be cool and correct. But if the whole "debate" is based on throwing stones, exploding in restaurants, kidnapping and murder they will be treated as violent children.
Please explain to me why I wasn't taught in school that all Arabs are evil and they all want to murder me and my family? Do explain why I keep watching kids with rifles in Nablus?
Again - The only possible way is to force them to become civilized. Controll their schools and politics. Maybe in a decade or two they will become slightly more civilized. THEN I would like to talk to them...
Maybe Israel should stop building walls on other country's property and stop demolishing other country's infrastructure and they'll stop telling their kids that jews are all bad.
Imagine when Israel and the USA had used all that money they spend on destruction of the Palestinian territories and Lebanese territories to build up those countries and give the people aid to their needs they would be loved by them, they would have gained goodwill under the muslim population.
At least, they would be loved by many more muslims than they are now and provoce a discussion in the muslim world and it would take away the grounds for the hatred.
Maybe Israel should stop building walls on other country's property and stop demolishing other country's infrastructure and they'll stop telling their kids that jews are all bad.
It's a big mistake to believe that that is the reason for them going against Jews. Infidels in general are looked at as second class citizens by Muslims. Of course, the Muslims who live in Western countries won't openly advertise that opinion. And they still want tourists from the West to spend money in their own countries. But believing that Muslims will ever feel friendly towards non Muslims is ludacrous. The Quran itself states that it's forbidden for a Muslim to be friends with a non Muslim. Unless they of course convert.
The Quran itself states that it's forbidden for a Muslim to be friends with a non Muslim. Unless they of course convert.
I think that's nonsense. maybe you found out already that Amsterdam has a huge amount of muslim inhabitants and many of my long time friends are muslims, in fact I know many muslims AND jewish people in my immediate surroundings who get along just fine.
Amsterdam is known for populating huge amounts of both Jewish and muslim people and there is no hatred whatsoever in general. (You should know that living here (Amsterdam) for the past few months. Open your eyes and even more, open your heart dude.)
The problems only escalate in the middle east where people are effected by western bombs dropping on their children;s heads on a daily basis.
Stop the violence and use that money to support the people and society to feel better with their daily lives and the violence will reduce enormously, it's as simple as 1+1=2 but the insane maniacs that rule this planet have other interests.
What happened in Gaza strip? All jewish settlements were removed, and the army left the zone. Airforce keep raiding local terrorist positions but that's all.
result?
KASSAMS keep falling on the southern Israel - Targeting citizens
Soldiers are shot at and one was even kidnapped (Gilad Shalit)
The intelligence keep telling that an immense amount of weapons and armor are brought from the egyptian direction - and that very soon the southern border will become just like the northern one...
Does it say that it is ok to kill all non Muslims or anyone else?
Sorry for the questions, it is just something I have never studied.
Hadith 4:89 says about infidels:
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, ....
