They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, ....
Just one of many passages like that.
How different is that from this:
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 (King James Version)
16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
I don't follow the Jewish religion, I believe in Jesus. When reading this, I remember the passages where Jesus commanded us not to commit acts of violence.
Maybe Israel should stop building walls on other country's property and stop demolishing other country's infrastructure and they'll stop telling their kids that jews are all bad.
Really? So you say that all this mess is because of this wall?
The wall was made in purpose of leaving the palestinian "land" in their hands. It also means that all jewish settlements in the western bank are to be removed. Some were removed already.
And the whole thing began neither with the wall nor with the infrastructure.
I thnik I already wrote it somewhere - But unfortunatly the arabs became our enemies long before today. Example?
1927 - Hebron
During hundreds of years jews and arabs lived there in reletive peace.
Suddenly there became a talk that jews want to return to israel from all over the world. "Are we gonna do something about it?!"
So a mass of arabs run into the jewish houses, drug them out, raped the women, and then CUT THEIR LEGS, HANDS AND HEADS, opened bellies of still living people and filled it with dirt and sand. With all dew respect - what is a correct reply to this?
Unfortunatly nothing had changed during the years. In 2000 two soldiers were captured by a palestinian crowd (which had policmen inside!), tortured, cut and thrown from the windows, to be cut entirelly by the crowd.
I do wonder - would a similar thing happen in Tel-Aviv?
You said that in Amsterdam you have both Jewish and Muslim friends who get along. And that's exactly what I said earlier. If Iran/Iraq e.t.c will become like Holland - they won't need terror at all. But since they are controlled by religeos fanatics they would never become like this. Give them money, you say. We gave. Why don't you check how much money Israel (yes, Israel) gave the palestinians during the last 10 years. But as long as people like Yasser Arafat or Hamas rule it - It goes to them. And for some reason they don't spend it on fixing their schools, or fighting their own terrorists...
I don't follow the Jewish religion, I believe in Jesus. When reading this, I remember the passages where Jesus commanded us not to commit acts of violence.
Just as many Muslims don't follow what you think is their religion.
The point though is that most Jews do not follow Jesus and his teachings. As a matter of fact they do not recognize him at all.
Just as many Muslims don't follow what you think is their religion.
The point though is that most Jews do not follow Jesus and his teachings. As a matter of fact they do not recognize him at all.
And according to the opinions of many Christians, this is why Jews have had to suffer for so many years. According to that same Bible, the Jews were meant to get Israel back. It's too funny how so many who don't believe that way seem ok with the suffering of Jews for so long, but the part of them getting Israel back suddenly creates a huge problems. I don't see any gaschambers being built to exterminate the Palestinian people. Do you?
Well, maybe I seem biased to you, because you're being overly apologetic for the actions of the terrorists.
I expressed a doubt about possible linguistic issues in your understanding of some passages in The Koran. How does that make me apologetic for the actions of terrorists?
If you interpret The Koran the same way you interpret my post then actually you are proving a certain point. And that point has nothing to do with Muslims or me.
I don't see any gaschambers being built to exterminate the Palestinian people. Do you?
Oh stop the gas chambers thing. It's wearing out and has no bearing on the current situtation, other than in your mind.
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One day, or rather night, in 1956 I sat up at his house till three in the morning. ... That night, a beautiful summer night, we had a forthright discussion on the Arab problem. 'I don't understand your optimism,' Ben Gurion declared. 'Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: they think we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwiztz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out.' " David Ben-Gurion
And the Jewish population obey the old testament which clearly states to kill all people and even their families who do not believe in their god.
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What are you talking about? I studied the Bible in school - And I remember that "Thou shall not kill" Is completely similar to any kind of people - either they are Jewish or not.
Besides - the point is that Israel's law is not the law of the bible. We are not ruled by a religeos/half-religeos/religeosly based government - And that's what makes us different from countries like Iran/Syria e.t.c
I don't believe that Muslims as people are bad, but the ideology of Islam is. You need to look at your friends and see how truly they follow Islam. Chances are they are not that strict with following their religion ... am I correct?
If that's the case, the ideology of the Jewish faith is just as bad, so why are you not just as afraid of the Jewish faith?
4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.
6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you.
12 “If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell in, saying, 13 ‘Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods”’—which you have not known— 14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you, 15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 16 And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again. 17 So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand, that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to your fathers, 18 because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God.
SO what about that? THAT is what the Jewish fanatics believe.
For me, as a person that doesn't believe in any of those religions, they preach hatred towards ME and tell their followers to kill me.
Does that make me think bad about the general Jews or muslims? NO, people in general use their brains and as I stated many times before, most people just want a peacefull life and get along with their neighbors, whatever faith they have.
Please notice that the "law" is not ordering you to kill people who are not following judaism. It orders to kill jews that turned to other religeon. Either way - these are laws that were used more then two thousand years ago.
We are in 2006! I don't remember any situation where a jew decided to blow up tel-aviv because it's not religeos. Today we are not run by monks.
That's the problem, b.t.w. some other countries ARE run by them..
Please notice that the "law" is not ordering you to kill people who are not following judaism. It orders to kill jews that turned to other religeon. Either way - these are laws that were used more then two thousand years ago.
We are in 2006! I don't remember any situation where a jew decided to blow up tel-aviv because it's not religeos.
Dude. Wake up. This same applies to the muslim general population, they don't live in the stone ages (Unless, as we have witnessed, they are bombed into the stone ages)
The bible (old testament) states that about members of other religions too, you should know that. And the Jewish population obey the old testament which clearly states to kill all people and even their families who do not believe in their god. Why are you not just as afraid of the Jewish people?
I guess only insane fanatics really want to practise that sort of maddness but in general people of both faiths do not practise it and are peace loving people. But both faiths have individual members who do believe they have to whipe out all others though.
I can't talk for the Quran but anybody worth their salt on biblical matters will know that the old testament no longer applies.
I don't know if the Quran works in a similar way or not.
