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Old 09-30-2006, 01:35 PM   #81 (permalink)
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It's really amazing how those bashing us just love our money. Then they buy weapons and the love is gone. Look at what Israel has done, building a great infrastructure and working hard on creating a good future for their kids. I wonder why Palestinians won't try to at least become self sufficient. They would actually earn America's respect if they took some initiative other than threatening to kill Jews and blowing things up.
Dude, wake up for reality. The past 30 years Israel has systematically everything destroyed that the Palestinian people build up. Their roads, their factories, their power plants, their crops and land, everything.


Israel has systematically ruined their infrastructure for the past decades, they did build, but everything they build is demolished soon after.

It's funny to see how opiniated you are for someone with such meager knowledge of history and the truth.
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Old 09-30-2006, 01:44 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Look at what Jews have overcome thruout history. I'm tired of seeing Palestinians as a group not even try. Everything they do and teach their kids is all about blaming Jews for everything. For fudges sake, instead of being jealous of Jews, they could learn a lot from the Israelis. Hating people takes energy. Especially when it gets passed down thru generations. You don't accomplish anything by hating. Success is the best form of revenge. If they want to be respected and listened to, then why not at least try to make something out of themselves. Life isn't easy for anyone. All we hear and see Palestinians do is hold out their hands for American money and blame the US on top of it. The game gets old.
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Old 10-03-2006, 02:22 AM   #83 (permalink)
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"Wake up for reality"...


What IS reality? What you read on the internet?

During the three years that I spent in the army I don't remember anything that was done without purpose. That includes destroying houses, blocking villages and arresting people.
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Old 10-03-2006, 02:28 AM   #84 (permalink)
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What IS reality? What you read on the internet?

During the three years that I spent in the army I don't remember anything that was done without purpose. That includes destroying houses, blocking villages and arresting people.
There you have it. Told by someone who is paid by the Israeli government, advocates ethnical cleansing and who pisses on the UN.
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There you have it. Told by someone who is paid by the Israeli government, advocates ethnical cleansing and who pisses on the UN.


Yep. There you have it. I'm a soldier and i'm paid 710 shekels a month. divide it by four and you'll get what it means in dollars. I write what I write because that's what I think, not what Ulmert does

Advocates ethnical cleansing? Yeah, I do. Western bank goes to Palestine. Isn't it what you want?

Piss on the UN? Yep. They only talk. Anyone can piss on them - nothing will happen.

Please, don't make a monster out of me. I have arabic friends and each saturday I go to the old city, to clear my mind. Nevertheless, what I saw in Kabatia, Jenin and Nablus is a different kind of people. Some of them aren't humans. Period.
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Old 10-03-2006, 10:11 AM   #86 (permalink)
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The ONLY reason why the UN is unable to act in many cases is because of the VETO right from the USA, they have VETOed nearly every attempt from the UN the past 30 years to really do someting about the problems caused by Israel in the region.

That VETO right is totally undemocratical and binds the UN's hands and it's not because the world doesn't want to act, it's because America sabotages it all the time with their vetos.

Israel can be happy that the UN is hold back and sabotaged by the USA since 30 years. Really. If not for the US you would have had Chinese and European Bluehelmets patrolling your streets since a long time.

If not that illegal wall would be demolished by UN soldiers by now.

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You can't just blame it all on the US. If the other countries in the UN really wanted to do something about it they would. Perhaps you should be spreading the blame around to all parties who just sit back and do nothing about it.
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You can't just blame it all on the US. If the other countries in the UN really wanted to do something about it they would. Perhaps you should be spreading the blame around to all parties who just sit back and do nothing about it.

Not correct. Look up the vetos that the US has used against sanctions towards Israel the past 20 years, it's scary and the US and the UK are the only ones voting against sanctions, the sad thing is that the US has VETO power, that's how it is, very undemocratic but it's how the UN was set up and as long as the VETO power isn't completely banned from their regulations the UN will never be democratic and able to use it's united power. They have this power only when it's 'approved' by the US and when they don't veto it.
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The ONLY reason why the UN is unable to act in many cases is because of the VETO right from the USA, they have VETOed nearly every attempt from the UN the past 30 years to really do someting about the problems caused by Israel in the region.

So the US forbid the UN from putting Hizballa fighters in their bases?
Or to allow terrorists to move weapons from egypt to gaza?
Or perhaps to photograph the kidnapping of three soldiers in the north in 2000 but not actually doing anything about it.
So US ordered all this?

"caused by Israel in the region" "last 30 years"...
"7000 palestinian children killed since 2000"
"The war in Lebanon started after IDF troops tried to move into Ayta-a-shaab"
I don't know what to say, really. Doesn't matter, since you don't believe me anyway.
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Old 10-04-2006, 01:50 AM   #90 (permalink)
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Dude, you have either little knowledge of history, or you simply live in denial.

Doesn't matter really, what matters is reality, and the reality is that the majority of the world can see what is going on, despite the American press and Israeli government propaganda.

When I grew up all I knew was that Israel deserved sympathy after how their citizens had been treated by the nazis in Europe during ww2, nowadays I realize that they are no better in the way they treat the Palestinian people, and I am far from the only one who noticed that.

Israel lost most sympathy in the world, Not because of anti semitism, but only because of their own actions in the region. They really must think that we are all stupid or something and that they can play that "holocoust" and "anti-semite" card forever. Wake up, it doesn't work anymore, it's time to face reality. Reality is that in this day and age you are judged by your actions.
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Not correct. Look up the vetos that the US has used against sanctions towards Israel the past 20 years, it's scary and the US and the UK are the only ones voting against sanctions, the sad thing is that the US has VETO power, that's how it is, very undemocratic but it's how the UN was set up and as long as the VETO power isn't completely banned from their regulations the UN will never be democratic and able to use it's united power. They have this power only when it's 'approved' by the US and when they don't veto it.
Sanctions could be imposed by the EU or SEAC, not just the UN. To answer your question, the US has vetoed 20 times in the last 20 years.
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Sanctions could be imposed by the EU or SEAC, not just the UN.
Not really true, the EU is an institution founded to ease up economic relations within EU memberships, they have no authority to put any sanctions on countries outside the EU. They can restrict import of products to Europe but only for economical reasons, not for political pressure, that's the job of the UN. but yeah, the UN has been vetoed every time their member countries really want to take action.

The problem in the functioning of the UN is the totally undemocratical veto right from a couple of countries which makes it look like they don't do nothing. The truth is that most UN member countries are getting fed up by being made look bad by those few with veto rights.
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Dude, you have either little knowledge of history, or you simply live in denial.

It's very nice to write that we are not better then the nazies. But you still havn't explained your own point: "little knowledge of history". What exactly did you mean by that?
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Another thing - You are saying that we are acting in non human ways.
I have a question. In all kind of non-democratic places like USSR, all kind of arabic nations, people did all they could to run away from service in their armies. So how come that this is not the situation in Israel? If what you are saying is correct - and we are as evil as the nazies - how come that so many people try to become pilots, navy seals, commandos and so on?
Surely you'll agree with me that no normal 18 years old guy wouldn't like shooting innocent women and children, or blowing up someone's house.
Or perhaps the government manages to lie to the soldiers in the field?
Could it be possible? For the last three years Iv'e been in many places, and seen many things. So I believe we are doing the right thing. And everyone in my team believe so as well. Is that because we are crazy killers?
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Didn't Israel have a draft system?
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Another thing - You are saying that we are acting in non human ways.
I have a question. In all kind of non-democratic places like USSR, all kind of arabic nations, people did all they could to run away from service in their armies. So how come that this is not the situation in Israel? If what you are saying is correct - and we are as evil as the nazies - how come that so many people try to become pilots, navy seals, commandos and so on?
Surely you'll agree with me that no normal 18 years old guy wouldn't like shooting innocent women and children, or blowing up someone's house.
Or perhaps the government manages to lie to the soldiers in the field?
Could it be possible? For the last three years Iv'e been in many places, and seen many things. So I believe we are doing the right thing. And everyone in my team believe so as well. Is that because we are crazy killers?

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They even have a draft for women.

http://www.wri-irg.org/news/2003/womenco.htm

In this light, Aureliano, your questions have no meaning, did you really think that we are stupid or something? You work for the israeli government, very low paid maybe, but fact is that they pay your salary and all you do is defend their actions, of course.

You have no website, are not affiliated in any way with webdesign or SEO and have no other reason to be here than to defend the Israeli government and to try and convince us that 'all' palestinian people should be "removed" in order for the Israeli government to expand its borders, all under the pretext of 'security'. Dude, you crack me up.

If I was you I'd get some help from your superiors because you suck at convincing us to agree.

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