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View Poll Results: Are you with Abortion or against?
I am totaly with Abortion 15 24.19%
I am against it for any reason 30 48.39%
It depends on the cituation 17 27.42%
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:53 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Since Will's profile indicates he is from Australia, I decided to see if I could find anything doing a quick search on Google. I believe I may have found the source of confusion in that Australian law appears to use the term human being in a different manner than most of us might.

They appear to use it in a similar manner to how many countries would use the term viable. However, they don't seem to clearly indicate this either.

Someone could misread this as saying that an unborn baby is not of the human species.

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Further uncertainty is introduced by section 165 of the Tasmanian Criminal Code, which additionally prohibits causing the death of 'a child who has not become a human being in such a manner that he would have been guilty of murder if such child had been born alive', unless the death is caused by 'means employed in good faith for the preservation of its mother's life. http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RP/1998-99/99rp01.htm
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There are no statutory or judicial interpretations of the meaning of 'a child who has not become a human being', and hence no guidance as to at what stage of pregnancy a foetus would be protected by this section. Arguably section 165 might apply at any stage of pregnancy, in which case this provision might be better described as forming part of the Tasmanian law that establishes the crime of unlawful abortion
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RP/1998-99/99rp01.htm

P.S. Next time you get to do your own research to back up what you are debating Will.
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:53 AM   #142 (permalink)
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I'll do some research. But I think my science teacher who did years studying science and has been teaching it for years would know....
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:56 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Since Will's profile indicates he is from Australia, I decided to see if I could find anything doing a quick search on Google. I believe I may have found the source of confusion in that Australian law appears to use the term human being in a different manner than most of us might.

They appear to use it in a similar manner to how many countries would use the term viable. However, they don't seem to clearly indicate this either. Someone could misread this as saying that an unborn baby is not of the human species.



P.S. Next time you get to do your own research to back up what you are debating Will.
Thanks cricket. I'm in search of the legal time into the pregnancy when the baby is from a fetus to a human. Or what ever you want to call it.

and I've been too busy to do "my own research"
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:04 AM   #144 (permalink)
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I've been too busy to do "my own research"
In the time you spent in this thread arguing instead of debating you could have looked up this information literally hundreds of times Will.

I typed om Australia Abortion into Google. The second listing said Abortion Law in Australia. I clicked on it and then from the browser window selected find on this page and entered the term human.

Total time involved? About 45 seconds...

Respectfully, if you want to participate in a debate, you must be willing you back up things that you present as fact, or you should NOT be involved in the debate at all.
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:05 AM   #145 (permalink)
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There's 2 threads about this going. It's hard to keep up with both.
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There's 2 threads about this going. It's hard to keep up with both.
Respectfully, my point remains that you may want to seriously consider spending some time understanding how to debate or not participate in the debate threads at all.
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I did debating for 5 years.
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:12 AM   #148 (permalink)
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How old are you Will?
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17...... why...?
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I was going to ask the same thing. Not that age in itself disqualifies somebody from intelligent debate.
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do you think my points are not valid?
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:31 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Actually my reason for asking your age was to determine what level you are at in your debate training. A quick peek in Google for information about Australian debate shows that debate is indeed started very early in Australia.

However, it also showed me that you are well aware of the importance of any debate including matter, which is a fancy way of saying, be prepared to back up your argument with evidence.

So my respectful recommendation to you still stands.

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I know what matter is, I normally get around 37-39

it totally depends. Sometimes it's out of 80, other's 70 sometimes 100. Matter and manner sometimes joined sometimes not

all depends.
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Here, you did not get a single point for it.

If you know how to debate, then use those skills in these threads. If you do not have time to provide matter, then I highly recommend staying out of those threads until you do.

Respectfully, you are going around in circles again and I am not willing to play that game with you again, so I will not respond further concerning what I have said.
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Here, you did not get a single point for it.

If you know how to debate, then use those skills in these threads. If you do not have time to provide matter, then I highly recommend staying out of those threads until you do.

Respectfully, you are going around in circles again and I am not willing to play that game with you again, so I will not respond further concerning what I have said.
It's a lost cause. He either knows how to debate and refuses to, or he doesn't know how and refuses to learn.
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I know how to. It's just obvious peoples opinions are not going to shift. I'm not going to waste my time..
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Good job on the research, Cricket. Very interesting.
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