Saddam Dead

[Brian]

Originally Posted by jijo

in quest of oil US decided to forget OBL and caught this guy....worst all sins are done under the name of people who sacrificed their lives, loved ones on 9/11

You say facts are not always sweet... maybe if you posted them. The US did not forget OBL. My friend Brian did not die on May 5 while picking red roses in the Afghan mountains.

[pizzadelivery]

What is so disturbing to me regarding the hanging of this guy is the fact that the Iraqi government is so incompetent that they could not even keep the control of one room for a few hours. How are we to believe that they can control the whole country?

[RobS]

Originally Posted by Linda in NY

Rob,

Look WAY BACK to the beginning of this thread when there were oh, 3 or 4 of you giving Nick living hell, that was fun and okay, right ??

WHO would think it was fun?..I never once reacted in a way to suggesst I ENJOY IT?!

Sheesh give me SOME credit here.. i am NOT a nasty person..
I will have a "debate"...I didn't call ANYONE a name or "idiot" or anything like that..

I didn't INSULT people like john did me..

GO READ post 42..in this thread on page 3... He accussed me of something.. I NEVER once called him any names... he got riled over...?? I DO NOT know..but he started getting lairy and saying I was making fun of him... and I wasn't..

Then he started calling ME mr "know it all", claiming I saw him and others as "idiots"...NOT ONCE did I say anyone was an idiot.....and not an name called from me.. before or after...

read post 50..from Brian... thats the sort of thing I SEE.. what he says.. I also see it HERE in the UK... I dont once doubt it..I can take crititism of my country... Others here can't.. thats my point..

And when someone defending the American view said they were leaving this very thread, you all made fun of him. I quote you here, "SHAME" !

Post 53..I simply quoted Nicks reaction in the earlier post... it said it all..
then....
Nicks post.... trying to twist words here dont you think... insinuating things I am saying.. yet I am NOT saying them?!

http://www.v7n.com/forums/politics/4...tml#post522260

ferres post RIGHT after that....

then post 56.. I ask him a GENUINE question... "do you really think your country gives a rats arse about YOU"

Then his post 52.. my reply has smileys and a wink... obviously I have NO MALICE towards Nick AT ALL...
THE very next post... thread 4.. he loses the plot....why?

post 68 from ferre.... THEN Nick calls me a basher... yet I never bashed him..
read my post 72...
He clearly misread what I had posted..and I said SORRY for it.... I never bashed him...

Read HIS accusation in post 74... then till... ferres post... NOW I can I never called ANYONE any name..or any personal insults.. NICK.. sees something thats not there....

Accussing me of "low blows"??? Where?

As John says... back it up... and could nick..?

...ah... I said "typical american" ... thats what nick said... post 79....
he was INSULTED by that??
fere post 80... asking Nick

"since when is it an insult to be a typical American?"

Read his reply... read post 81 , 82.. I EVEN said sorry HE took it the wrong way.. i NEVER once insulted him.. he insulted himself.. being insuklted by a "tyical american"....

read that thread even JULIE posted...number 92.. aimed AT Nick..

NICK accused the board of being anti american.. then others started posting.. cricket etc... NOT ONCE did I insult or call nick ANYTHING..

Funny how the tide can turn isn't it. I'm not saying it's right, but it is IRONIC !

So.. still think that way? I mean I never insulted him.. not once call him anything... others started to debate etc.. then JOHN starts insulting ME... then more of you come in having a go at ME.. why?

You think it was fair? Think I seriously upset nick or anyone else??

I naver insulted anyone.. not John.. and yet I still get insults?

HTF does THAT work?
Please tell me.... I cant believe it re reading th ethread.. who ganged up on nick? NO one.. ferre was posting and is a mod.. I was posting.. never insulted anyone.. just nick going crazy with accusations..unfounded ones.. .. and Julie even ask him if he is serious..

John... why not ask nick to back it up.. like you so fond of telling me... I will not be involved in this sort of shit again in this section.. NO thanks..

I tried to play a part of a HEALTHY debate that should teach ALL of us something.. YEP I learn TOO..

How you are happy with the ironic twist Linda..

I am not happy with it at all.

[Linda in NY]

Originally Posted by Nick
You called me a "typical American" who you described as unintelligent, lacking education, 'blinkered', one sided...

[quote=RobS;522315]And are you prooving different?

I didnt think that was right at all. Just because you don't agree with his opinion doesn't give you a right to say that about someone, or insinuate it by asking if he is proving different.

Read ferre's last post.... if America doesnt like it..why do it?

Then here, maybe America (the citizens of the country), might not like all the policies the government puts into places, but, don't blame the people for things that happen either. Why do it ?? Because our politicians decide to do it, thats why. We don't have a majority rule on the decisions our politicians make, before the Military invaded Iraq, the politicians or anyone else didn't ask us if we should go. The citizens didn't vote on it.

But you blame us because we support our country, sure we voted them in, but not everyone in this country voted for our current president. During the campaign for President, the question, if planes flew into the World Trades and cruel and inhuman things were happening to the citizens of Iraq and there might be a connection what would you as president do ?? WAS NOT ASKED of the politicians during the debates.

We cannot as citizen be held accountable for everything that happens, because all Politicians lie and mislead during the campaigning trails. You just try to pick the lesser of two evils.

Sure our country has made many mistakes, but it's done alot of good too. But I really haven't seen you mention anything the USA has done that's good, it's all negative, thats why some people may be taking this so personal.

To answer your question, I AM HAPPY ?

The whole debate turned totally disgusting and many people who have been involved, not all, should be ashamed. That's whats wrong with this entire world, attack, attack, attack, never look for the good in people, and work together to make the world a better place.

And that is MY OPINION !! There are many good people out there, but we need more.

[John Scott]

Rob, you really might want to consider leaving the politics forum. Your choice, entirely, but give it some thought.

And, yeah, your posts directed at Nick were very insulting.

[RobS]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Rob, you really might want to consider leaving the politics forum. Your choice, entirely, but give it some thought.

And, yeah, your posts directed at Nick were very insulting.

And his wernet to ME?

He was making unfounded accusations at me..?

Ok.. well as you asked i will leave this section..

Linda.. sorry if I offended YOU as a person.. I never intend to offend anyone as a person.. its GOVERNMENT as a whole.. and how things are projected.. nothing personal at anyone.. not even Nick.. just to clear that up..

There are positives and negatives..just as here.. but the thing is you dont here me shouting either about here..
I personaly think politics everywhere stinks.. its why the world is messed up!

Im out..

[EBORG9]

Thats why I luuuv politics. People get so fired up over it, yet, no one votes anymore.
What's up with that?

Me and my friends get into it all the time..we cal each other idiots, and 5 minutes later we're talking about women or something. Most of my friends are Republican...broke as hell...but Republican.

One of my friends is a gay republican. You know how much crap we give her at the bar?
Yes its a passionate subject, but its just a discussion. I think its great to hear other peoples opinion. It doesn't have to get personal.

It not like we have any say in the matter, of what country does what.
Its just opinions. We are all people here. In it together.
I would stand shoulder to shoulder with any of you, to defeat a common enemy, and we can go back to calling each other idiots, afterward.

But seriously, nuetral countries.....pick a fricken side..O.K? Do you like terrorism? No? OK, you're on our side. Buy some boots, and a couple of .45's (I think Dick Cheney can make some calls over to Haliburton), and we'll make you 7th string, behind France.
You won't even be close enough to hear gun fire, but, at least make an effort.

A neutral country, is like , me asking my girlfriend where she wants to eat, and she says,"anywhere is fine", EVERY TIME! Every now and then you have to have an opinion.
At least tell me what you don't want!

(Ok French people let me have it, but the real French, not the French Canadians) JUST KIDDING!

[Bluecircle]

Some of you guys need to chill out.

[dafl]

Saddam may have deserved this fate, but I am not aware of his name being on any list of wanted criminals until the US invaded Iraq on those unsubstantiated claims of WMD's.

As a previous poster mentioned:

1. why stop at Iraq.. Nth Korea openly state they have WMD's.. where is the fire and brimstone and shock and awe that "should" have accompanied that?

2. The Bush / Blair coalition has been responsible for 000's of innocent deaths as a result of the invasion, why are they not on trial.. oh yeah, they didn't kill anyone, those deaths are "collateral damage" and "collateral damage" is an acceptable part of war. Just ask the families of the "collateral damage" how they feel about it!!!

Anyway, want something else to do? Check this out - <SPAM>

[Bluecircle]

Originally Posted by dafl

Saddam may have deserved this fate, but I am not aware of his name being on any list of wanted criminals until the US invaded Iraq on those unsubstantiated claims of WMD's.

As a previous poster mentioned:

1. why stop at Iraq.. Nth Korea openly state they have WMD's.. where is the fire and brimstone and shock and awe that "should" have accompanied that?

2. The Bush / Blair coalition has been responsible for 000's of innocent deaths as a result of the invasion, why are they not on trial.. oh yeah, they didn't kill anyone, those deaths are "collateral damage" and "collateral damage" is an acceptable part of war. Just ask the families of the "collateral damage" how they feel about it!!!

Anyway, want something else to do? Check this out - <SPAM>

If we make a move on North Korea, South Korea gets screwed. We don't want that.

[John Scott]

Saddam may have deserved this fate, but I am not aware of his name being on any list of wanted criminals until the US invaded Iraq on those unsubstantiated claims of WMD's.

Never heard of Saddam murdering tens of thousands of Kurds? Or killing political opponents? I'd suggest you read the news more often.

why stop at Iraq

Who said we stop at Iraq?

Nth Korea openly state they have WMD's..

Invading Iraq is one mess, invading NK would get China involved, and that would be ugly.

The Bush / Blair coalition has been responsible for 000's of innocent deaths as a result of the invasion, why are they not on trial..

By that logic you would need to put Winston Churchill & Roosevelt on trial, too.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Invading Iraq is one mess, invading NK would get China involved, and that would be ugly.

Yeah, typical. As long as it's the small guys bullying is easy. America is a big fat hypocrite and the whole world knows it. "We bring freedom and democracy to the world" can be translated into "We invade small and defenceless nations with resources"

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Yeah, typical. As long as it's the small guys bullying is easy. America is a big fat hypocrite and the whole world knows it. "We bring freedom and democracy to the world" can be translated into "We invade small and defenceless nations with resources"

Ferre, it's called being practical. We liberated Iraq. We cannot liberate NK without serious military risks, and if China becomes involved it might just be a no win situation.

[Ferre]

Yep, there you have it. when you look at history, the USA has never had any direct confrontations with China, but they lost every single conflict in history with countries that are supported by China.

Funny thing is that China doesn't dictate the world how to live but the USA does.

[John Scott]

Funny thing is that China doesn't dictate the world how to live but the USA does.

How does the US dictate how the world should live?

And I don't see your countrymen running into NK to stop the murder and mayhem.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott