Saddam Dead - Page 15

John Scott · 01-07-2007, 07:47 AM

You guys went to war?

Ferre · 01-07-2007, 08:34 AM

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You guys went to war?

Yes, the Netherlands was part of the coalition forces that illegally (according to the UN) invaded Iraq and we still have troops in Afghanistan.

EBORG9 · 01-07-2007, 05:42 PM

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Yes, the Netherlands was part of the coalition forces that illegally (according to the UN) invaded Iraq and we still have troops in Afghanistan.

Really??

Ferre · 01-07-2007, 06:13 PM

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Really??

Yes. Really.

cldnails · 01-07-2007, 06:33 PM

Ferre, I'm glad there are people like you in this world, because it balances things out. But eventually, hear no evil, see no evil, gets trampled by evil. Are you proud of your country? I am, not that I'm blind to things it does, but I will defend it. Defending can mean putting out a cigarette butt on the other side of the world before it reaches our beautiful forest. Ya heard, bird man?

Ferre · 01-07-2007, 06:38 PM

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Ferre, I'm glad there are people like you in this world, because it balances things out. But eventually, hear no evil, see no evil, gets trampled by evil. Are you proud of your country? I am, not that I'm blind to things it does, but I will defend it. Defending can mean putting out a cigarette butt on the other side of the world before it reaches our beautiful forest. Ya heard, bird man?

I am love my country, the land that I'm born on and my family and friends but I am ashamed of most of the currupted and criminally insane scumbags that call themselves my representatives.

It's not politically correct to say in this day and age, but for most countries goes that when the inhabitants would really love their country and really would do anything to defend their land and families they should lynch their political leaders.

EBORG9 · 01-07-2007, 11:05 PM

Hense the start of this thread...Leader lynched!

pctec · 01-08-2007, 06:01 PM

Its weird how Saddam is dead and everyone is still arguing over him...

dafl · 01-12-2007, 08:40 AM

Saddam became a wanted criminal when the US decided to pre-emptively invade Iraq to save the US from the WMD's Saddam was building. Iraq was not invaded to bring Saddam to justice for the murder of the Kurds

When the WMD's were not found, the deaths of those 000's of innocent people referred to as "collateral damage" became the responsibility of Bush and Blair. Like the other two, Saddam did not drop the bombs, he gave the orders to do so.

If there is one thing I have learnt from working for Global Corporations, Big $$$ do not do anything for free. They do things they stand to benefit from doing. The US has nothing to gain from invading Nth Korea. The US has everything to gain by invading Iraq.

And lastly - there is a big fat fundamental difference between Churchill & Roosevelt and Hitler, and Bush & Blair and Hussein - Churchill & Roosevelt did not "pre-emptively" strike Germany for reasons they "cannot prove."

By your argument, Japan was within its rights to "pre-emptively" bomb the US at Pearl Harbour!

John Scott · 01-12-2007, 09:14 AM

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By your argument, Japan was within its rights to "pre-emptively" bomb the US at Pearl Harbour!

How so?

dafl · 01-14-2007, 05:40 AM

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How so?

what is a pre-emptive strike?

John Scott · 01-14-2007, 04:01 PM

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what is a pre-emptive strike?

You are asking me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-emptive_strike

Were you going to answer my question?

dafl · 02-02-2007, 04:14 PM

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You are asking me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-emptive_strike

Were you going to answer my question?

I read the article - thanks for pointing me there, couldn't have argued better myself.

1st paragraph:

A preemptive attack (or preemptive war) is waged in an attempt to repel or defeat an imminent offensive or invasion, or to gain a strategic advantage in an impending (usually unavoidable) war.

Not many people think this is the case in Iraq anymore - and some of us never thought this was the case.

Later in the article:

Some commentators have pointed out that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor could be regarded as a preemptive attack.

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But it is OK, as they said in a Fish called Wanda - monkeys can read philosophy, they just don't undersand it... so I forgive you.

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John Scott · 02-02-2007, 08:50 PM

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Some commentators have pointed out that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor could be regarded as a preemptive attack.

Nobody really considers that Pearl Harbor a preemptive attack. Japan was extremely imperialistic at that time, and the US was dead-set on staying out of the war. Japan knew this, as do most people with any sort of education.

I'd really recommend you research topics before posting here. Our standards for information accuracy are a bit higher than you seem to appreciate.

chicgeek · 02-02-2007, 08:53 PM

On a somewhat related, yet just as unelated, note, my father was born in Slocan City, a Japanese internment camp in British Columbia, Canada during WWII.

And now the smell of apples makes him sick.

John Scott · 02-02-2007, 08:55 PM

The internment of Japanese and those of Japanese descent is a topic I really think they should cover more in history texts in school. It really was unjust.

chicgeek · 02-02-2007, 09:00 PM

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The internment of Japanese and those of Japanese descent is a topic I really think they should cover more in history texts in school. It really was unjust.

Of course. I had the interesting opportunity this summer to talk with a Japanese from Hawaii this summer on the subject. There there was no internment and little animosity, but still dismay at the internment of other North Americans.

As white as I am, I try to learn more and more of it - it's my history.

And with that, we now return to your regular scheduled program.