Saddam Dead

[maldives]

Saddam is dead now! Is that the end of the world?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by dafl

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once again, you have totally missed the point... and once again, I ask you to re-read what I wrote and then actually think about it - it's right there in front of you....

Some people just love the sound of their own keys tapping............

Is it really impossible for you to format a thought in logical form and post it here?

So far you've made an ass of yourself by suggesting that Pearl Harbor was a preemptive attack and by suggesting that Iraqi invasion was a preemptive attack, and by suggesting that Saddam was not a criminal.

You're 0 for 3.

Want to go for 0 for 4, or would you like to grow up and try debating as an intelligent adult?

Make legitimate points supported by fact and people might have a little respect for your opinions.

[Ferre]

John, with all respect, but the dude did make a valid argument.

Some commentators have pointed out that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor could be regarded as a preemptive attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war

It just matters from which point of view one approaches the question. Sometimes 'right' or 'wrong' are subjective to the angle that a question is approached.

[John Scott]

Ferre, dalf herself quoted Wikipedia.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A preemptive attack (or preemptive war) is waged in an attempt to repel or defeat an imminent offensive or invasion, or to gain a strategic advantage in an impending (usually unavoidable) war.

For Pearl Harbor to be considered a preemptive strike, a US invasion of Japan would have to have been imminent.

As we know, the US had no plans to invade or attack Japan. Indeed, the US was doing all it could to stay out of the European war, and matters in Asia were of even less concern.

Japan knew this. America, warned of possible aggression by Japan, admantly refused to admit even the possibility of a war with Japan.

Japan attacked in order to force the US to abondon colonization in Asia (big picture) and to force the US to lift its oil embargo (little picture).

dalf just made up that crap about an imminent US invasion of Japan in order to:

1. Discredit herself.

2. Entertain us

3. Demonstrate the ability to fabricate stories

[micksss]

Originally Posted by Nick

woooo!

He's dead so is it now the real "mission accomplished"? Can we leave now?

[zcoder]

First off europe will never do anything to help in world problems
if it will cost them.
With this being a fact in history, it's not hard to see that this
leaves only one country to do it.

Here is how europe thinks: "Let the americans get involved, so if it
goes wrong, we can put it all on them"

This is why you never see europe do a dam thing in history but complain.

It would be nice if the USA would wake up and see reality for a change. It also would be nice if the American people would realize that they are not as 'needed' as they think they are.

Then do as I have suggested and take charge, otherwise stop your
complaining. you complain about things you never take charge in.

You'll be in for a bad surprise when the bubble burst and the dollar goes down, and don't think that can't happen, all the signs indicate that the dollar is walking on its last legs. Ask all those rich Americans like Bill Gates why they are desperately dumping their stock.

That statement has been said for over 60 years and has never come true.
I have been in almost every country on this planet, I have seen the economic's of europe.

It has taken over 100 countrys to form europe and go to the euro
to try to match the dollor of one country.
There has to be a reason it takes over 100 countrys to pull
together to try to beat a dam dollar.

If you state an opinion back it up with facts... sorry mate.. but where do I get facts for my own opinion???

He says his opinion, but does not know where or why he has such an opinion.
does he know where his opinion came from? he must have heard or read it somewhere?

No.. I never once said I know it all about you all.. did I
I say what my opinion is.. am I wrong to have one?

You are not wrong to have an opinion, but you should know where and why
you have that opinion, otherwise you look like my talking bird I own.
talking, but don't know what your really saying.

Ok.. well I will NOT post anymore regarding MY opinion...
Now as i said to John.. how do you get FACTS for OPINIONS??

How do you get facts for opinions??? well ask yourself this:
how did I come to your opinion?? did you base it on facts????
if not then you eat up everything you hear as the truth
without facts?. which means you don't think for yourself
by researching first?, to make sure you don't get decived.

Dunno if you are aware of it John, but members of the United Nations have signed agreements not to interfere in the policies of souvereign countries as long as they do not physically attack one of the members, and even when that happens there are all sorts of formalities to be done first.

That type of policie is what got europe in trouble in the second WW2
sat by and watched Germany bully other countrys, while all sorts of formalities to be done first.
I guess they never got their formalities done in time?

Well, that depends of who's looking at it, that government fell because of their policies. And on top of that they got smashed the last elections and that former prime minister is considered a war criminal by many people down here.

I will belive that only when I see him go on trial, otherwise it's alot of
fluff.

Some commentators have pointed out that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor could be regarded as a preemptive attack.

Come on now, you better look up in history books about the oil embargo and steel embargo on the Japanese.

Now back to Saddam, Saddam was playing with fire, I am sure he had on purpose
put miss infomation out about WMD, which would not be hard for him to do in a country
ruled with a tight fist, and where infomation was hard to get.
So he played a game and got burned.

Zcoder....

[Ferre]

zcoder, what are you trying to say? can you translate this into non-gibberish?

[zcoder]

Ferre,
You can't dispute what I say, so you say that you can't read my
posts. but yet I have seen miss spellings from others you have
read clearly.

The excuse is getting weak now.

Zcoder....

[Ferre]

Your arguments are weak dude. try and understand things before you comment on them. Like that bullcrap about the dollar vs the euro that you spitted out is total nonsense, you seem to forget that the US is compiled from many different states, like the EU.

That's just one example of the exposure of your lack of knowledge when you post replies in the political forums. I think you just reply for the sake of it, try and get some factual knowledge first, you might make less of a joke of yourself.

[Rankenstein]

Hi zcoder, some points:

Your first couple of paragraphs make no sense - to say that Europe as an entity historically did this or that, well, if you are talking about the last three decades or so, OK, but before then there was no such thing. But that's scarcely history, more like recent living memory.

Nextly, the EU was not formed to fight the dollar - the integration of EU countries was formulated purely and simply to stop us continually battering the hell out of each other - something that European countries have proven historically fond of - getting the euro as a common currency is merely one aspect of that integration. You would be equally wrong to claim that the purpose of integrated EU law (which takes precedence over national law) was to beat the mighty American legal system. Perhaps America sees this integration as an economic threat, but you're putting the cart before the horse. In any case, we Brits have kept the delightful 'Pound Sterling' and that's going great guns against the dollar too, without the need for these new-fangled Euros.

Finally, the idea that the EU wants to get America involved in world events purely to put the blame on them in the event of things going wrong, oh dearie me, most of the time e.g. in the case of Iraq we want America to actually stop getting their hands dirty in world events. It just mucks things up and obscures all the good stuff that America does. And we British still got dragged in by George W. tugging on Blair's leash. Does anyone still think Iraq is a better place now, even with Saddam taken out?

I think what America needs is to pay a bit more attention to it's older, and probably wiser, cousins across The Pond. What the EU is about is demonstrating how a bunch of jostling neighbours can all get along pretty well - America needs a hell of lot more than a few pointers in that regard. In Europe, we wrote the book on it.

[zcoder]

Ferre,
If your comparing states to countrys, then you really have no idea
about our country.
We are ONE country while europe is many countrys with presidents
for each one of those countrys, we have only one president as proof
that we are one country.

Europes population is larger them ours. there is no comparison here.
And europe is a idea, an idea that if countrys join this idea and adapt
their money into euro's that they may crush dallor.

Thats all the plan is for, nothing else. infact europe is still looking for
more countrys to join in their fight against the dallor.

Zcoder....

[maldives]

Looks like everyone is trying to justify their point of view. interesting.

[zcoder]

Your first couple of paragraphs make no sense - to say that Europe as an entity historically did this or that, well, if you are talking about the last three decades or so, OK, but before then there was no such thing. But that's scarcely history, more like recent living memory.

What your suggesting is sence europe never did anything that it's all mute.
But it does not change the fact that history is loaded with events that
they could have acted on.

Zcoder....

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by zcoder

Ferre,
If your comparing states to countrys, then you really have no idea
about our country.
We are ONE country while europe is many countrys with presidents
for each one of those countrys, we have only one president as proof
that we are one country.

Europes population is larger them ours. there is no comparison here.
And europe is a idea, an idea that if countrys join this idea and adapt
their money into euro's that they may crush dallor.

Thats all the plan is for, nothing else. infact europe is still looking for
more countrys to join in their fight against the dallor.

Zcoder....

Dude, are you telling me that you really believe that the EU has been founded to 'fight the dollar'?

you are getting funnier by the day, and you give 'the dollar' way too much credit.

[zcoder]

Ferre,
If it's not, explain to me why each country that agree's to join
europe must convert their money to euro's?

Zcoder....

[Rankenstein]

Ahem, the UK uses the Pound Stirling...the other countries changed by national referendum.

[zcoder]

Rankenstein,
Right just my point really,"referendum" means "initiatives" or "propositions"
and what is the initiatives or propositions to moving to the euro?
in other words, what is gained by converting to euro's as a country
joins the european UNION? to s