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12-30-2006, 07:42 AM
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The most powerful nation had its way and as they say history is always written by the victorious.
I think saddaam will fade into history as a tyrant if US has its way or will become a rallying point for the radicals if the opponents of US army had theirs.
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12-30-2006, 08:30 AM
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I am not against nor with, I know what he did was allot, he killed people and let them suffer, but this does not make us judges.
I wish all the souls rest in peace, even his soul as well.
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12-30-2006, 08:39 AM
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Ferre, it's a tragedy any time human life is lost. I'm not happy Saddam is dead. You are right, though. In the end it's the fault of the US that Saddam isn't still in power and in control of Iraq. That's the positive that's come out of all of this. Was it our place to topple him? Somebody had to. Did we fund the trail that convicted him? Yes, and it was important that he never regain power, which is exactly what the plan was. A dictator in prison can easily be put back in power by a strong enough militant group.
The hangings are terrible. The execution of innocents that began the day he took power and lasted his whole reign were terrible. The war that took his power away is terrible. I expect that the only people who are happy about the hangings are the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens who had friends and families tortured, raped, and murdered under his command, the same ones who would have lived in fear of his return to power and the subsequent slaughter and oppression that would have returned with it. They got whatever justice this provides. As for our family we mourn the whole situation and pray for his eternal soul to find peace and salvation, as well as the souls of those who died beside him.
Saddam did this. He had absolute power and could have used that to unite his people and bring them prosperity and happiness. He used it instead to bring pain and misery. If the US has a fault in this it's that we waited as long as we did to end it.
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12-30-2006, 08:44 AM
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So it is our duty to rid the world of all evil and unjust leaders? Bullshit!
If our country got taken over by some nutjob dictator, I wouldn't expect or want Russia, China, Australia, or ANYONE to come and save our asses.
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12-30-2006, 08:50 AM
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They couldn't pick a better day than the Muslim Eid! Well too late now.
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12-30-2006, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferre
THANK YOU AMERICA.
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You're welcome? I think you should thank the Iraqi Government for getting rid of a violent dictator who was responsible for the loss over 100,000+ people.
The world is a better place without Saddam Hussein.
Last edited by Nick : 12-30-2006 at 09:14 AM.
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12-30-2006, 09:15 AM
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So it is our duty to rid the world of all evil and unjust leaders? Bullshit!
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Yes. It is the obligation of those with the power to do so to ease the suffering of those without the means to help themselves. We get to do it happily with food, financial, and medical support to poor nations. In situations of cruel, powerful dictators such as Saddam, Hitler, ect., it is an unpleasant bloody job, but sadly needed none the less.
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12-30-2006, 09:19 AM
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In the end it's the fault of the US that Saddam isn't still in power and in control of Iraq.
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It was the USA that put him there in the first place, THAT was their first mistake.
Another thing, WHO ELECTED THE USA TO POLICE THE WORLD??!!!
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If the US has a fault in this it's that we waited as long as we did to end it.
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Dude, your 'logic' is typical for most Americans, they are always in denial for their own mistakes and blaim it to others.
If the American government had not put Saddam in charge all of this would have never happened, so who is to blaim in the end eh?
America has lost all credibility in the world because of this, all that they have left is treaths, they have supported and financed El CIAda too, remember?
Nearly 80% of the world's population has the opinion that America is the biggest treath for peace on this earth and 5% (the Americans) don't agree with that, we are in the situation that 5% of the world's population pisses off 80% of the rest of the world and still those poor brainless sheep believe they have the copyrights on morals and all the rights to keep acting like dangerously insane morons.

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12-30-2006, 09:22 AM
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Yes. It is the obligation of those with the power to do so to ease the suffering of those without the means to help themselves. We get to do it happily with food, financial, and medical support to poor nations. In situations of cruel, powerful dictators such as Saddam, Hitler, ect., it is an unpleasant bloody job, but sadly needed none the less.
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Dude, the only financial aid the American administration gives is millions/day to Israel. They give less to African countries than Swiss, The Netherlands and other small European countries do. Compared with small nations like my own country, America has a very poor record of giving aid.
The US administration has a way of filing their military aid under 'humanitary aid' to make it look like they give to the poor, in reality most of this money goes to weaponry in those 3rd world countries. (look it up if you don't believe me)
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12-30-2006, 09:25 AM
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Dude, your 'logic' is typical for most Americans, they are always in denial for their own mistakes and blaim it to others.
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Dude, your 'logic' is typical for most non-Americans, they always blaim the world's problems on Mr. George W. Bush. Man, what are you going to do when there is a new president?
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12-30-2006, 09:26 AM
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Dude, your 'logic' is typical for most non-Americans, they always blaim the world's problems on Mr. George W. Bush. Man, what are you going to do when there is a new president?
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A new president will not change the world's opinion dude, a change of attitude and international policies will.
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12-30-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferre
Another thing, WHO ELECTED THE USA TO POLICE THE WORLD??!!!
Dude, your 'logic' is typical for most Americans, they are always in denial for their own mistakes and blaim it to others.
If the American government had not put Saddam in charge all of this would have never happened, so who is to blaim in the end eh?
America has lost all credibility in the world because of this, all that they have left is treaths, they have supported and financed El CIAda too, remember?
Nearly 80% of the world's population has the opinion that America is the biggest treath for peace on this earth and 5% (the Americans) don't agree with that, we are in the situation that 5% of the world's population pisses off 80% of the rest of the world and still those poor brainless sheep believe they have the copyrights on morals and all the rights to keep acting like dangerously insane morons.

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No one's in denial. Nations frequently have to make decisions then clean up messes later. It's not Americas fault how Saddam chose to run the administration. Had he the option of being good for Iraq.
America will not always be in the position we are in now. World powers shift. For now it is up to us to make the best choices we can. If you see that as "policing the world" then so be it. If others don't agree, that's alright too. When we lose that position it will be us looking to others for help and a new power taking the blame for everything that goes wrong in the world. I hope for the sake of people like yourself that they are as tolerant of the critisism as we have been.
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12-30-2006, 09:28 AM
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A new president will not change the world's opinion dude, a change of attitude and international policies will.
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Oh comeon! You know very well your days will be less interesting when Bush is out of the Whitehouse. No more Bush bashing! Won't you miss that?
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12-30-2006, 10:09 AM
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I was watching the hangging on Aljazeera Internaltion and he was brave man and i feel sorry for him. Well I am sure 2 year later they will find it was wrong.
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Yeah.........I am pretty sure that is not going to happen.
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12-30-2006, 10:18 AM
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When you are the most powerful nation in the world, you typically are the scapegoat for the world's problems.
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Spoken like the typical American...
LOL..
The fact is..its America that throws its power around... I agree with all that ferre has said..
Nick.. ever left the usa?
Been anywhere else?
The usa IS the worst nation for alot of things.. you just cant accept that.
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12-30-2006, 10:28 AM
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Spoken like the typical American
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Are you mocking the truth? The US is used as a scapegoat for all the world's problems.
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Nick.. ever left the usa?
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Been to Canada and the Bahamas. I haven't financially had the opportunity to go abroad but I plan to. Not really keen on visiting Europe. I'd rather go to australia.
Have you ever been to the US?
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The usa IS the worst nation for alot of things.. you just cant accept that.
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Yeah, the land of opportunity where people are fleeing from other 'greater' nations. Save it buddy.
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12-30-2006, 10:33 AM
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According to the latest independent poll that I saw, less than 23% of Americans agree with Bush and his international policy. Please don't hate all of us. I personally think that the US should keeps its nose out of other people's business and concentrate on making this country great again.
The only thing I am glad about Saddam is that he is no longer in a position to encite people to murder, rape, genocide whatever.
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